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u guys are funny with the CIA this and CIA that. LOL
buck harvey is a great writer, wish he was writing nationally about the NBA.
"hero for brushing off the other suitors"
.... for 30 days, and only after no other teams claims him during the 48-hour waiver period.
If Brent did come back for 1-year, could he demand a no-trade clause? Otherwise, he's trade-dumpable again next season.
u guys are funny with the CIA this and CIA that. LOL
buck harvey is a great writer, wish he was writing nationally about the NBA.
We all know the short answer here. $ could divert Barry from a return to SA. The Spurs offer continuity, familiarity, and a shot at a 3rd ring for him. Of course, he may not feel like returning due to him having been on the trade block for the last couple of years. If he goes to a new team, that's new plays, new players to get used to for a couple of months.
How much $ is really available for Barry? He's a 36 year old guard with a serious calf injury. I could see Dallas making him a sizable offer just to screw with the Spurs.
Also, this is just a hypothetical, but say the Spurs told Barry before the trade that 'we may trade you and if you are waived/bought out then we'd really like to have you back'. Does that cons ute a "pre-arranged" deal?
The Spurs sent $ to the Sonics to cover the cost of buying out/eating Barry's contract. Presumably, the Spurs knew that the Sonics intended to end Barry's contract ASAP. The league knows this, as it approved the trade. Seattle will probably end up with a little payroll reduction out of this deal, and a 1st round pick for a player who obviously did not fit into their long term rebuilding plans.
At the end of the pontificating, if a player is traded, is waived by his new team, and both he and his team decide they want each other back, well, I'm not sure what the problem is, exactly.
Just don't talk about it in public.
Spurs can offer him the most money of anyone.
How so? Dallas still has their MLE available, I believe.
Also, now that the Spurs are under the lux tax threshold I don't see them offering him more than the pro-rated minimum for the remainder of the season.
I don't think that Spurs have send cash to Sonics.
Ludden spoke about cash in one of his article but in the other ones, there is no mention of cash. The official wording of the trade don't include "cash consideration".
http://www.nba.com/transactions/curr...nsactions.html
Hmmm. Oh well. It's up to Barry's new team to decide what to do with him. Apparently they have decided to waive him. So now any team that can claim him is free to do so. After that, he will be free to negotiate with any team and join them immediately, save for the Spurs. If at the end of all of this he ends up with the Spurs then I don't see the problem.
I want Barry back.. I was telling Angel I hope its a Stupidhouse type of set up. Barry gets a month off to get healthy, he works out a bit and then resigns with us for the repeat and next year with a no trade so he can retire afterwards.
Good stuff. And a healthy Barry is a great thing for us, spreads the floor better.
Hypothetically no. There is no agreement, merely a voicing of realities (possibly being traded) and desires (like to have him back). Nothing is signed, no details are given, no dollar amounts are discussed. And since the player in question is still on the payroll of the original team at the time of this hypothetical conversation, tampering is not an issue either.
i believe he'll be back. i'd be shocked if he doesn't return.
I hope the laundry and toilets get clean now that hes gone
hey but barry can still sign 10 day contracts right?
after 3 10 day contracts with any team of his choice
bam, sign with the spurs
Where are the HEB sponsored posters that say "Come back Brent!"
Worked with Tim, should work with Barry. I think he loves HEB.
What, he should've enjoyed being traded?
I hope he comes back. I know its selfish of us to say, comeback and if necessary take less money, but Barry is a natural fit here in San Antonio. Not just on this team, but in the community.
Come back Mango Tree!
Never mind all the political pep rallies- we need to have a 'Come Back Brent' rally with placards sponsored by HEB. Love the guy's down to earth persona and team spirit. Not to mention his ability to hit some impressive 3's....
With the way everyone hates the Spurs...
If Barry comes back, there WILL be a Congressional Hearing.
Yes He Can!
I honestly think it is already a done deal he will be back. Pop is doing it to give the big middle finger to Memphis/LA, Boston/Minne and Dallas/NJ for the crap deals and under the table, you pat my back I'll pat yours, deals that were done or discussed. The Sonics are making major moves (with friends RC and Danny Ferry) to have more cap flexibilty while losing nothing. They are a couple years away, aren't going anywhere this year and Thomas is not part of the long term plan. Create some room for next year; help out a buddy while you help yourself out.
This is the only deal in the west that didn't deal with superstars or complaints, yet everyone agrees it was quite possibly the best or 2nd best deal done when you consider the contenders. I think Barry will be given a 1-year no trade deal for next year and sign for the rest of this year at the vet min. We might even still have an exemption he can use. He's got the cash, he got bought out, vet min is still good change and his wife and kids love SA. His idea of a good time is to help out a team as best he can and by doing all this he is the biggest helper of all. When he takes a vet min contract or exemption his help will be complete and he will end his career after next season at almost 38 years old.
Some team will offer Brent a deal that extends beyond this season, and he will take it. Some teams even still have their MLE.
My Buckese translation- he is preparing fans for the possibility that Brent will not come back to SA and is telling them in advance why. There is something to be said for being someplace that really wants you and has not tried to trade you for 2 years.
It would cost a team to pick up Barry off waivers just the pro-rated amount for the rest of this season. There are teams with MLE left-- can't they pick him up off waivers before anyone even has a chance to go after him?
According the Houston Chronicle - the Spurs have their full MLE, more than the other obvious contenders can offer. Additionally, see the quote below:
Well, first, prove that conversation took place. Second, prove that that conversation cons utes more than a hint or a wishful thought.
Collusion may be suspected, but the genius move here was placing him on waivers before March. Any team under the cap has a chance at him, and any team has a chance at him in FA. No one can argue anything if they pass him up on waivers.
Yes, but not many of those teams have the roster space or the cap space.
Not entirely true. You have to have the cap space to absorb his entire salary, and while they would only pay the portion of the salary remaining to him, the entire salary is counted against the cap space. So the only teams under the cap who can pick him up off waivers are Memphis and Atlanta. Pheonix could use their trade exception to nab him, but it would cost them between $7 and $8 million to do so. So they'll wait for free agency and hope they can get him for a mere $2-3 million (salary plus lux tax).
See the snippet from the Hollinger article.
You still do not understand-- the Spurs have MLE available but they will NOT spend it on Barry to go back over the luxury tax threshold. They will only offer the minimum. Period. Having MLE does not matter where the Spurs are concerned.
Dallas on the other hand has its entire MLE and may not care about paying tax if for no other reason that to keep Barry from joining the Spurs.
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