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I see no sense in picking one or the other right now. You have both of them for what, the next 4 or 5 years? Just enjoy it while you can.
I wish I could live in you sugar coated world. Do you really think Beno's agent is going to let his client sit happily on the bench for that long? Aint gonna happen.
I see no sense in picking one or the other right now. You have both of them for what, the next 4 or 5 years? Just enjoy it while you can.
That would be nice if it were true. But if Beno continues his progression, there's no way he'll stick around that long if it means playing behind Parker.
Well... he is under contract, so what is the agent going to do?
As long as we win a championship this season, then who cares, we did it , period.
When its time to decide, we will see who is better, and who is probably going to have a better future.
Um...demanding a trade comes to mind.
He (or his agent) can demand whatever he wants, the Spurs are not forced to trade him when he is under contract. If he doesn't like it and starts being a cancer, Pop will put him in his doghouse. Wilkis will start chewing his minutes.
It is in his best interest to get as many minutes as possible on the floor to increase his value. Once he is a FA, he can leave if he so desires (4 years from now).
BTW, I don't think Beno will do anything like that. I am simply pointing out that his agent can't do about it.
Fine. Let's say he sticks it out for the entire 4 years despite improvement. You guys are still missing the point of the thread. You have to pick one or the other NOW based on what you've seen from both of them.
I don't know what is so hard about these kind of threads on this forum. They pop up in Message boards all over the net but people on this forum treat them like the plague. It's not like picking one over the other is going to make you any less of a fan. Just give us a pick. The debate that follows is sure to be better than talking about Karl Malone for the 100th time.
Chill out dude... I'll play with you.
I would pick TP now, no doubt. I reserve the right to change my mind in 2 years depending on the progression of each player.
Fair enough. Any particular reason why?
Parker can put up points in a way that Beno just can't. Beno is a great jump shooter and a decent slasher, but he is slow. Once teams start to focus the d on him, he is not going to be getting to the rim so easily.
Now, his passing is for real. But it just does not suit our team's needs as much as scoring. If Tony does not assist, we have Barry and Manu, and even Duncan to pass out dimes, but if Tony doesn't score we are hurting.
The reason; he is our 2nd scorer. He was last year, and he is this year. Manu is not going to average 20 over a season. He showed flashes earlier this season, but I think if Manu was going to become a second STAR for our team, he would have continued averaging 20 like he did for a week and a half.
Beno is not going to become our 2nd scorer. Not today, and not in 2 years. He might be a great assist man, but he will only be an average scorer, Avery-like in that regard. Parker is a decent passer but a good scorer, and for the Spurs, that is more valuable.
Moreover, Parker's quickness, which will be with him another 8 YEARS or so, is not replaceable; Beno's offensive contributions tend to come through jump shooting, and Barry, Devon and Manu can shoot for us, among others.
I disagree. We are hurting when Tony holds to the ball and doesn't score. If he doesn't score but the ball is shared, the Spurs win anyway.
Oh, so Tony is averaging 20 pts per game? Tony just shoots more, that's all. Tony has almost 100 FGA more than Manu in the season and their ppg are practically the same. Go figure.The reason; he is our 2nd scorer. He was last year, and he is this year. Manu is not going to average 20 over a season. He showed flashes earlier this season, but I think if Manu was going to become a second STAR for our team, he would have continued averaging 20 like he did for a week and a half.
Manu is a much more efficient scorer than Tony... his 3pt% is much higher, and he gets to the FT line more often. Give Manu the extra 2.5 shot attempts per game that TP has and he would be averaging 18 pts/game.
Playoffs experience.
IMO, this topic is kind of dumb.
Beno is a rookie with a jump shot playing with Tim Duncan.
The only players in history that couldn't get off a shot without defense were Pop's trio of Carter, Heal and Ward.
Beno is better than all of them. Parker would destroy Beno.
Beno actually destroyed parker couple of times when playing against eachother...
I'll take Tony Parker right now, for a variety of reasons...
#1.Parker is an awesome starting NBA PG, unguardable by anyone when he is on and being agressive. Also capable of starting for an NBA champion.
#2.Beno hasn't proven he is.
#3.Parker may not be Magic Johnson in the playoffs, but he has as many or more good games as he does bad ones...and he's only 22. I haven't got a clue how Beno will handle the playoffs.
#4.Nor has Beno proven he can hold up physically or mentally over the brutal 82 game schedule.
In short...Tony Parker is a proven NBA starting PG, while Beno isn't, actually Beno isn't even a proven back up PG yet(although he is proving it as we speak, and proving it well).
^^^ What he said.
You guys have been saying that quite a few times. When did that happen? I don't recall any such thing.
Brewski, I think you do Beno a disservice when you say he won't be willing to be a back up...You kind of gloss him as a malcontent when you say that, and frankly I think you are talking out of your butt and have nothing to back that up... The Euro guys do not typically have the ego problems that burden a lot of American players, most of them buy into the team concept 100%.
Players finish out their rookie contracts as backups all the time...besides, who says he'll stay a back up? For all you know he or Parker could wind up as starting guards like Deke and Dumars.
Parker and Beno are friends in case you didn't know it...Parker lobbied for the Spurs to draft Beno.
Even if Beno did destroy Parker (what I don't remember), that was before he got drafted by the Spurs, and he has improved a lot since then playng in the NBA.
Parker seems to be faster and better defender than Beno so he must beat him on one on one
The only way Beno stays (a happy Spur) for 4 years is if he starts, period. He's starting his rookie contract at 22, not at 18 as Tony did, which is a huge difference. Start as a Spur, or elsewhere, he will start, and get paid appropriately, inside those 4 years.
The Spurs will have to offer him a starter's contract well before those 4 years are up, because other teams will be waving $M's in his face. He won't be a happy player imprisoned in a rookie peanuts contract at age 24 or 25.
Bump.
Very flattering thread for Parker no question Icecoldbrewski.
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Keep em both.
TP can not play more than 32-35 mins, so we will always need a good backup PG.
I'll wait until the time comes to make that decision. anyone who would make that decision now is a hater or a fool. Icecold has proven to be both in countless topics.
As for saying his agent can demand a trade, if you really believe that you truly are a fool. Spurs have his rights for next 3 years after this one. I doubt Beno wants a reputation as a malcontent. He is not some premadonna AMERICAN player. If you believe this icecold them once again you're proving that you're just a fool. icecold is the perfect name as your opinions are ICECOLD
By the way all my friends up here in New England extend a big THANK YOU to the choker eagle coaches and players.
Last edited by GoSpurs21; 02-09-2005 at 10:50 PM.
Also Beno can play the 2 with Parker, and Manu or Barry in the game at the 3.
Beno was in the game for a few minutes in the fourth and basically roamed around the 3 line unguarded. Reminded me of the days when we had Anthony Carter.
WTF is wrong? White boys shoot it when open. Doesn't he know that?
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