Hey whottt

[whottt]

Actually...it's more difficult to foul Shaq out than you'd think...


If they called the fouls they were supposed to on Shaq he'd have scored 10 points for his entire career.


And yes he's a much better half court player than Shawn Marion, offensivly and defensivly, right now, than Shawn Marion was on his best day.

Shawn Marion is a great interior defender? On who? Point guards?

[whottt]

So the Suns have gone from a good running, bad half court offense and decent perimeter and bad interior defensive team to a bad running and half court offense and bad perimeter and interior defensive team. Seems like a winning formula to me.

Their running couldn't get them past us on their best day...and they'll be bettter against us in the halfcourt...


They couldn't beat our transition D anyway...so even if Shaq slowing them down, it is not going to have a huge impact on that part of our matchup.


Where he will impact them in in the half court...and they are going to be better with him than they were with Crepe Paper Marion.

And Marion has had zero impact on the Heat...at last Shaq can say the Heat sucked because Wade was out....what's Marion's excuse?

[polandprzem]

Shawn Marion is a great interior defender? On who? Point guards?

Even if

Is Shaq on SF's?


I just gonna wait man. Cause when Shaq won his last le it was all about Wade and the refs and the chokers.
Shaq put worse numbers than D-Rob in 2003 Finals. And it was 2 years ago. Then he decided to embarass the Heat team. He went to Phoenix and started running his mouth (just mouth).

You know talk is cheap, so I'd rather wait till playoffs (to bump this thread)

[polandprzem]

And Marion has had zero impact on the Heat...at last Shaq can say the Heat sucked because Wade was out....what's Marion's excuse?

1. Riley said, tank baby tank!

2. Marion is not familiar with the system

[picnroll]

If the Suns miss the playoffs no claiming "Yeah but they would have given the Spurs a hard time if they'd only made it".

[whottt]

If the Suns miss the playoffs no claiming "Yeah but they would have given the Spurs a hard time if they'd only made it".

Are you saying they won't make the playoffs?

[picnroll]

Are you saying they won't make the playoffs?

If they make it I think they won't be better than seventh seed and if they don't start playing better they may miss it entirely. It amazes me that someone can't see how much of a s Shaq is of his former self.

[whottt]

If they make it I think they won't be better than seventh seed and if they don't start playing better they may miss it entirely. It amazes me that someone can't see how much of a s Shaq is of his former self.

And it's amazing to me that no one can see that you or I could hang 30 on Amare and Marion.

[Medvedenko]

And it's amazing to me that no one can see that you or I could hang 30 on Amare and Marion.

What a dumb post dude.

[whottt]

What a dumb post dude.

Dude...you name is Medvedenko...just shut up.

[Spurminator]

I don't see the Suns missing the Playoffs, but MAAAAAAN that would be awesome...

[BlackSwordsMan]

Shaq is awesome. Trade duncan, parker, ginobili for him spurs.

[m33p0]

whottt, are you saying that the Suns is or will be SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER or simply MARGINALLY BETTER with Shaq?

i do agree that they are at least marginally better with Shaq than Marion in terms of interior presence on both ends. that is, afterall, where Shaq made his career. but to claim that they will substantially better matchup for the Spurs come playoff time would be a stretch. Marion does have a history of disappearing in the playoffs especially against the Spurs.

[Agloco]

All Shaq's good for now is making the nearest buffet restaraunt owner nervous.

It's hard to imagine Shaq having another gear for the playoffs. He's really rusty to say the least. Ironically, it might be in the best interest of most teams now to run against the Suns rather than slow it down.......

[whottt]

whottt, are you saying that the Suns is or will be SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER or simply MARGINALLY BETTER with Shaq?

Substantially better...they'll match up with Duncan better defensively, they'll have a legit post threat in the paint, after having none.

They'll be substantially better.....if Shaq doesn't break down.

i do agree that they are at least marginally better with Shaq than Marion in terms of interior presence on both ends. that is, afterall, where Shaq made his career. but to claim that they will substantially better matchup for the Spurs come playoff time would be a stretch.

Why?

When you just said...

Marion does have a history of disappearing in the playoffs especially against the Spurs.

Damn right he does...does Shaq?

[Spurminator]

Damn right he does...does Shaq?

Well, he HAS been swept six times...

[whottt]

Well, he HAS been swept six times...

Are you saying we are going to sweep the Suns?

[Spurminator]

No. I'm saying it could be argued that, even with all of his success, Shaq has a history of disappearing in the Playoffs some years.

I'm willing to give the Suns more time before I pronounce them dead.

[picnroll]

They'll be substantially better.....if Shaq doesn't break down.

Too late.

[Agloco]

Sporks in 4. Book it.

[Spurminator]

Here's a sincere question, because I don't know the answer...

Has Shaq ever won a game when facing elimination (aside from a Game 7)? I'll look it up but if anyone knows off the top of their heads, feel free to chime in. Just curious.

[m33p0]

Substantially better...they'll match up with Duncan better defensively, they'll have a legit post threat in the paint, after having none.

They'll be substantially better.....if Shaq doesn't break down.

the fact that the Amare isn't the best of weak side help defenders and that Shaq is getting up in age. And though I can't discount your claim that the Suns will now be able to better guard Duncan with Shaq on him and Amare provide weak side help, whoever Amare is guarding will have a field day under the basket. at least, i hope that's how it will turn out.

Damn right he does...does Shaq?

Ah... okay. If that's where you're pinning your analysis on, i really can't disagree.

[whottt]

I'm pinning my analysis on the fact I've seen Manu Ginobili dunk on Marion and Amare like they were midgets...to the tune of 48 points one night...you let me know if Manu has ever even come close to doing that when Shaq is in the paint.


I'm pinning my analysis on the fact that in 2006 I watched Shaq's team beat a team that had just eliminated us, and Shaq was already in decline, but one of the reasons he was able to beat that team was for the simple reason that he was willing to knock Dirk Nowitski on his ass...and Dirk knew it...which is why Dirk didn't look like Wilt Chamberlain against them like he did against us.


I'm pinning my analysis on the fact that in 2004 through the first 2 games of the WCSF, Tony Parker was dropping teardrops over Shaq's slow ugly dome like Shaq was CBA reject...then Shaq decided he was going to backhand Parker like a every time he came into the paint and Tony Parker was never seen again for the rest of that series...regardless of the fact that Tony Parker had Gary(toast) Payton as his defender.


I'm pinning my analysis on the fact that when Parker and Manu see that the guys defending the paint for the Suns are Amare and Marion, they look like they just won the lottery...I've never seen them get that look when Shaq is in the paint.



I'm pinning my analysis on the fact that Shaq is able to get away with more hard fouls, offensively and defensively than any player in the NBA...still.


I'm pinning my analysis on the fact that he's nearly killed Oberto the last two times they've been matched up...literally. He's put him in the hospital.


And finally...I'm pinning my analysis on the fact that even an old and slow post scorer is better in a half court setting than no post scorer.


It's really not that hard to figure out, and to me it's blatantly obvious that they'll match up better with us in a half court basket trading situation, as is often seen at the end of playoff games, than they ever have before.


Unless Shaq is hurt...



We'll see what happens...until we actually play them in the playoffs, it's all speculation.

[my2sons]

and all I am saying is that I am not sure if 25 games is enough time for dantoni to figure it out and for shag to figure it out. Manu had that great playoff game where he almost put shaq on is azz...on a move i will never forget that led to the famous tears from the lakeshow. To me manu is the x factor, because he can go off even on kobe

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

When is Shaq going to show up?

When the buffet line is open....