Udrih Tore It Up This Week!

[MajorMike]

Someone will overpay him. I reckon the full MLE over 4 years.

See Speedy Claxton.

[oboymeetsogirl]

Just because a player doesn't thrive in the Spurs' system doesn't mean he won't thrive elsewhere. I don't get his games where I live, but I suspect Beno is doing great because he's a place better suited to his game. I saw a little of Devin Harris over the past few days, and it really looked to me that he's in a better place for his game in New Jersey as opposed to Dallas (never knew he can be as big a threat behind the three point line as he is slashing into the lane). Remember, guys like Bowen and Billups were kicked around for years by other teams before they got to where they are now, where they are appreciated.

I saw Beno play enough times in San Antonio -- the tentative shots, the unsteady ball handling, etc. -- to know that he really did need to be cut loose. But now I'm really glad he's found a team that can really use his talents.

[Harry Callahan]

I saw the Dallas-Sac game last week when Beno was doing well up until the second quarter when once again he gets the ball stolen in the backcourt, the loose ball is passed to Dirk, and DN drains a long three, capping a Maverick quarter ending run that extended into the second half. Dallas went on to win the game with the momentum from that run. In other words, Beno has better stats with a bad team due to his extended playing time, but in the end, he is still not reliable when it is crunch time.

As for the Spurs trading Beno at his lowest value, it is hard to build up his value when he kept getting hurt here and letting his personal situation get him down in the mouth and at the end of the bench. The Spurs are not in the business right now of giving bench players heavy minutes to build up their confidence/value while at the same time winning 65 to 70% of their games. That is just not realistic.

[Kibic]

I saw the Dallas-Sac game last week when Beno was doing well up until the second quarter when once again he gets the ball stolen in the backcourt, the loose ball is passed to Dirk, and DN drains a long three, capping a Maverick quarter ending run that extended into the second half. Dallas went on to win the game with the momentum from that run. In other words, Beno has better stats with a bad team due to his extended playing time, but in the end, he is still not reliable when it is crunch time.

As for the Spurs trading Beno at his lowest value, it is hard to build up his value when he kept getting hurt here and letting his personal situation get him down in the mouth and at the end of the bench. The Spurs are not in the business right now of giving bench players heavy minutes to build up their confidence/value while at the same time winning 65 to 70% of their games. That is just not realistic.

If roles were oposit so TP gets in doghouse and Beno ulimited playing time no metter how many mistakes he made...thing could look a whole lot diferent.
But Pop's job is to win championships. And from two players he decided to go with TP and Beno was just an insurance and used as a tool for building up TP's selfconfidence.

So DAL win with the momentum of Beno's TO, ok.
Are Spurs loosing games from the momentum of TP TO?

[ata]

Exactly. Talent wise, Parker and Beno are pretty similar (each with different pros and cons), at ude makes big difference!

[Bruno]

Udrih isn't as good as Parker talent wise and it's not even close.

[hsxvvd]

He has definately proved to the league that he belongs in the NBA, perhaps even as a starter. As far as a big pay day, I'd say he'd have a few too many question marks, Speedy Claxton days are over... then again if Kapono gets the full MLE, Beno can shoot too and plenty of teams need a point gaurd. There isn't a lot of "young" talent in this years free agent crop last time I checked, so he has a few things going for him.

[ata]

Udrih isn't as good as Parker talent wise and it's not even close.

Hmm, I wouldn't be so sure.
In younger years, where talent prevail hard work, Udrih was sometimes even considered as better.
And they are different type of players even though they play in the same position - either has pros and cons.

It is at ude where Beno is not even close to Parker, however if Spurs would has landed Kidd, who knows?

[Bruno]

Hmm, I wouldn't be so sure.
In younger years, where talent prevail hard work, Udrih was sometimes even considered as better.

Evaluating the nba talent of a player by looking at what he does at 18 years old in european basketball is really hard.
Some players aren't made for the nba, some players aren't playing at their real possibility, some players are still playing at their whole potential. The result of this is that there are draft busts and draft steals.

At 18, James White was projected to be a top5 draft pick. Would you say that he is more talented than Parker ?

[ata]

Good point.

Nevertheless, I rather have Parker in my team as Udrih - at the end of the day, talent isn't everything.

[bigfan]

Beno is a serviceable point guard with plenty of flaws. I dont think his talent level is anywhere near Tony Parker. I think Parker is clearly one of the top five PGs in the league.

[Kibic]

Evaluating the nba talent of a player by looking at what he does at 18 years old in european basketball is really hard.
Some players aren't made for the nba, some players aren't playing at their real possibility, some players are still playing at their whole potential. The result of this is that there are draft busts and draft steals.

At 18, James White was projected to be a top5 draft pick. Would you say that he is more talented than Parker ?

Have to agree with you. When I look at Greece:USA game on WC...plenty of NBA stars in their best years and Greece "never heard's" kicked stars asses...incomparable...


Of coarse, NBA players, in 2 weeks, didn't adjust to shorter distance for 3's and keep on hitting into the board. It wasn't fair.

[Kibic]

Beno is a serviceable point guard with plenty of flaws. I dont think his talent level is anywhere near Tony Parker. I think Parker is clearly one of the top five PGs in the league.

Of coarse.

Being a Kings starting PG isn't "anywhere near" to being a Spurs starting PG. Each and every this season game is prove of that.

[angel_luv]

Today vs Mia 23 points 4 boards 9 dimes 3 steals 0 TO
Friday vs Dal 25 points 5 boards 5 dimes 1 block 1 TO
Wednesday vs ATL 25 points 4 boards 8 dimes 1 steal 1 TO

Well done Beno!

[K-State Spur]

Hmm, I wouldn't be so sure.
In younger years, where talent prevail hard work, Udrih was sometimes even considered as better.
And they are different type of players even though they play in the same position - either has pros and cons.

It is at ude where Beno is not even close to Parker, however if Spurs would has landed Kidd, who knows?

Udrih had games where he literally could not get the ball past halfcourt against the defender. That wasn't a confidence issue. That's also a minor requirement that most teams have for their PG.

[Kibic]

Udrih had games where he literally could not get the ball past halfcourt against the defender. That wasn't a confidence issue. That's also a minor requirement that most teams have for their PG.

Did he? Has TP ever win a game where Beno was on other side?

[ata]

Udrih had games where he literally could not get the ball past halfcourt against the defender. That wasn't a confidence issue. That's also a minor requirement that most teams have for their PG.

And Parker has been assist machine I guess, also just a minor requirement for PG

I don't want to sound as Beno's homer, since I am not, however if you see in Beno only as a choker, look again

[K-State Spur]

And Parker has been assist machine I guess, also just a minor requirement for PG

I don't want to sound as Beno's homer, since I am not, however if you see in Beno only as a choker, look again

Actually, in our offense, the PG is never going to consistently put up Nash/Kidd assist totals. About 6/game is what should be hoped for, and that's right where Parker's at.

I'm not a Udrih hater, I just firmly believe there are 2 complete misnomers used on this board:

a) That he never got a chance with the Spurs.
b) More recently, that he's anywhere near the talent that Parker is.

[K-State Spur]

Did he? Has TP ever win a game where Beno was on other side?

yeah, terrific sample size you're working with there.

[Kibic]

yeah, terrific sample size you're working with there.

What do you mean? How big is your "sample" of not being able to get the ball past half court? And more important, under what cir stances?

[ChumpDumper]

@ pretending there could have ever been serious consideration given to playing Beno more than Parker.

[K-State Spur]

What do you mean? How big is your "sample" of not being able to get the ball past half court? And more important, under what cir stances?

if you have one game (let alone 2 in the Finals) where you can't get past halfcourt vs. a one man press, that's too many.

as i said, i'm not hating on him, he's found his niche.

but saying he's equal talent to parker is one of the more laughable things to be posted on this board in a long time.

[Pero]

Well that's funny because I seem to remember people here saying he has the same level or more talent than Parker before. I think even Timvp said it.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Comparing Beno and TP is a travesty - please stop right now. TP is a proven player who may well be the best pure penetrator in the league, who survived the baptism of fire Pop put him through, and has improved his game each year he has played up to this one. He is an All-Star and a Finals MVP. Beno is a decent PG on a lottery team.

[InK]

Actually, in our offense, the PG is never going to consistently put up Nash/Kidd assist totals. About 6/game is what should be hoped for, and that's right where Parker's at.

Sure, we can say that. We could also admit that Nash/ Kidd, etc.. just do a better job providing for their teamates in that respect.

I'm not a Udrih hater, I just firmly believe there are 2 complete misnomers used on this board:

a) That he never got a chance with the Spurs.
b) More recently, that he's anywhere near the talent that Parker is.

I don't think anyone, including the slovenians still left posting here (after the exodus ) are living in a dreamland regarding Udrih's potential and his realization of that potential. We are all aware that he got his chance with the spurs and blew it. And it doesnt really matter why, that problem was shipped away with Udrih.

People here seem to think that comparing Parker's and Udrih's talent is almost a blasphemy. I dont get that, noone is suggesting Udrih is a better player then Parker ( or anywhere close to him). But saying Udrih is not freaking talented is almost as absurd as the "Udrih > Parker" threads 3 years ago. One of the main reasons why everyboy was so frustrated about Udrih is because he was so talented; to such an extend we all knew he could have played a lot better. But he didnt...