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You first. You keep using your own incompetence and inability to discern what Obama stands for (read: the same ing things as Hilary, only more tame on healthcare) as an attack on his supporters.
Erahhh, Hillary didn't create the mess of HMO's, as much
as I would like to lay it (pardon the pun) on her. You
have to give credit to his honor, the swimmer, Mr.
Kennedy, from Mass. HMO's were going to solved all
health problems. Like most liberal ideas.
Hillary's health plan failed miserably when put to the
legislative body of our great country. But only after
folks were told what it contained.
You first. You keep using your own incompetence and inability to discern what Obama stands for (read: the same ing things as Hilary, only more tame on healthcare) as an attack on his supporters.
No, and it's pathetic that you do. Don't ever about Republican fearmongering about national security on this board again.
Didn't think you could provide anything.. no one ever does. She is tougher than he is... for Christ's sake he was flustered when he had to answer tough questions.. " I have already answered like 8 questions already.." Clinton has been attacked for 16 yrs and she is still standing tall..
We have the choice of 3 people.. 2 I think are capable of handling the job and one doesn't... now I am accused fear mongering? some of the libs are over sensitive es..
8 questions and walked off. Of course he doesn't have
that cackle...........
She's incredibly divisive. For god's sake, she's tearing the Democrats apart. Divide and conquer doesn't work if you do it to your own party.
Thank god, I don't have to give a crap about the future of either party. Cue rise of Libertarianism.
She's incredibly divisive. For god's sake, she's tearing the Democrats apart. Divide and conquer doesn't work if you do it to your own party.
Thank god, I don't have to give a crap about the future of either party. Cue rise of Libertarianism.
How is she tearing apart the party? What is she specifically doing? Or is simply because of her last name?
So I am supposed to buy that she and her husband are master politicians who are purposely trying to harm the same party she n eeds in order to become President? makes zero sense dude.
From a nihilistic, Karl Rove persective, that was the brilliance of that ad...in foisting the ba of "national security experience" as the most important qaulification, it ranks Hillary slightly above Obama, but then the logical conclusion is that McCain is ranked way, way, way above both of them.
Way to go, Clintonites.
You talk and act like a liberal. Liberal dimm-o-crap atShe's incredibly divisive. For god's sake, she's tearing the Democrats apart. Divide and conquer doesn't work if you do it to your own party.
Thank god, I don't have to give a crap about the future of either party. Cue rise of Libertarianism.
that. Boy do you.
I didn't realize Clinton's experince was in question? Oh wait it's not...
How so?
Social liberal, Fiscal conservative. The libertarian anthem.
I'm the only one supporting Obama in my immediate family. My parents and siblings are all supporting Clinton.
Obama's not a fiscal conservative.. But he looks great in a suit!
For goodness sakes, read what you just typed. Grrrrrrrrr.
Actually, it is. And you can bet your ass McCain will skewer her supposed "foreign policy" credentials.
again, way to go.
Neither are the Republicans.
That leaves the Democrats. Hilary would definitely balance the budget.
I'll take my risk with Obama still. Her healthcare plan is too risky and I don't expect her to be able to get out of the partisan mold. Obama is unknown in that aspect. I'll take the risk.
Social liberal is a personal choice. I wouldn't impose it on you. Just like no libertarian would impose his personal choice about social policy on you.For goodness sakes, read what you just typed. Grrrrrrrrr.
I used to be socially moderate. Then I matured. It ain't my right to tell who should marry who, do what to their bodies, own what influential plant by products, or worship what god (if they have a god).
The only place I differ from libertarianism is education, where I liked NCLB, until Bush underfunded it.
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I think we're about to see an Obama backlash.
Hey I am not imposing anything on anybody. I am a
conservative. I want to live like I want and let you live
like you want. I wont tread on your turf and you don't
tread on mine.
Now, got that off my chest. If you mean "social liberal"
taking care of those that cant take care of themselves,
and yes the do exist, I agree. But if you mean those that
can care for themselves and don't, then I do not agree.
I really don't care if anyone lives above or below my
level. I am comfortable. Many have more than me and
many have less than me. How I handle that is my business. I guess I am a contrary old man who worked
my butt off and have a little something to show for it.
So what. Anyone can do it. Just work. You got a real
problem, then I am here to try and help. But I cant
support you.
Already started 2 weeks ago.
The road to victory can take it's toll.
I think I edited my post while you were writing this.
When I say social liberal, it means about social policy such as gay marriage, abortion, separation of church and state, removing artificial government regulation on the drug free market, etc.
I am not in support of any of those things in my private life (except for separation of church and state; I am an atheist). But, I also don't want to dictate my conservative lifestyle on someone else.
Fiscal Conservative and either of the Democrats health proposals do not belong in the same conversation.
Oh, that's right; Some User doesn't care about THAT spending; it's won't be discretionary.
You're not a fiscal conservative; you just want a balanced budget; and don't care if the govt. raises taxes to get there (we've already established that you deceive about your tax bracket)!
What evidence do you have that Clinton would balance the budget? She has proposed FAR more spending than she has tax increases to pay for it! You think because it happened in '99 when Bill was president, it'll happen again? You know how much capital gains tax was paid on Enron stock in '99?
The revenues the govt. collected that year were an anomaly; might happen once in a blue moon; but 20% of GDP to the treasury, thus far, has been a once-in-a-lifetime event.
I thought I made it pretty clear why I personally would love higher taxes if it meant a stabilized economic environment in my family's field of work? How is that decieving? We would personally make more money and be able to recover the lost income from taxes by having a stabilized economy. It's selfish? Yes. But aren't we all. It's the ing basis of capitalism.
Yes, my dad established the company. Yes, it's daddy's money. Yes, I talk about it like it's mine. I'm waiting to finish my grad school (just started last semester!) before I can make my own dent. Yes, I've had to support myself. And yes, I do know that I've got a pretty nice fallback plan, which most people don't have.
you for your ad hominem attack, thereby making this about me.
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