A loss is a loss, but this thread is debating which team is worse as a result of their trade or which trade is worse. The OP is asking for a comparison so here it is:the Mavs have fared better against elite compe ion.
exactly.
A loss is a loss, but whether or not Spurs fans want to admit it, contrary to popular belief, we aren't gonna sweep the Mavs simply because they lost Diop and Harris.
I think the Mavs got some rough breaks, but this homestand should get them back on their feet. I definitely don't wanna face them in round 1, that's for sure.
I'd say PHO
Lol, yeah, going 0-4 against those elite teams should be a source of pride. The being-on-the-road-excuse is also pretty lame. What kind of excuse is that? Last year they were 31-10 on the road. They "won in the hardest places to win in the NBA." This year they're a pathetic 14-19 on the road, the worst road record among the top-8 teams in the West. If they don't get home court in the 1st-round which is a strong likelihood, they're dead.
People thought Kidd would make a difference? The Mavs are 2-4 on the road with Kidd with the 2 wins coming against horrible teams. Kidd has made zero difference whatsoever.
What about the "Well, naturally there'd be an adjustment period" excuse?
Funny, but I don't recall anyone predicting the Mavs would experience a dropoff in play following the Kidd acquisition. Mavs fans in here expected DAL to dominate right away with Kidd making flashy passes all over the place and leaving a trail of glitter as he runs down the court. And if they did expect a dropoff, isn't that a bad strategic move? To acquire a guy and lose crucial games while he and the team adjust to each other? Can't have it both ways.
Also, how long is the adjustment period supposed to be anyway? 8 games would seem to be adequate for a veteran bunch of players to get it together, but I guess you'd keep extending the adjustment period/honeymoon until DAL actually starts to show something.
Plus, the "toughest teams in the NBA on the road" excuse is lame. You're supposed to elevate your play against those teams, and DAL didn't. Couldn't beat LAL even with their best post player Bynum out (what a surprise Damp then has his best game of the season, then vanishes the next game against good post players Boozer and Okur who dominate in the paint scoring 48 points combined), not to mention supposed All-World Dirk snaps under the pressure and commits that lame foul on Kirilenko. He hasn't changed, and the team hasn't either with Kidd on board. Simple as that.
Meanwhile SA quitely adds a couple of mere backups at the deadline and keeps rolling along. Kidd = panic move. SA, on the other hand, as it usually does at the deadline calmly makes few waves and ends up being the 2nd-hottest team in the league after the deadline. The difference between the two teams is personified by their best players. DAL like Dirk is hot-headed (Terry is a grade-A whiner), impulsive, weak defensively, and quails under pressure. SA like Duncan is calm, methodical, strong defensively, and responds positively to pressure. DAL is like Sonny in the Godfather, prone to making stupid impulsive decisions and getting wiped out. SA is Michael.
Who said it was a source of pride?
.The being-on-the-road-excuse is also pretty lame. What kind of excuse is that? Last year they were 31-10 on the road. They "won in the hardest places to win in the NBA." This year they're a pathetic 14-19 on the road, the worst road record among the top-8 teams in the West
Last year was last year. This year is different. They're not the same team.
That's true whether our starting PG is Devin Harris or Jason Kidd.If they don't get home court in the 1st-round which is a strong likelihood, they're dead.
God, you're ing stupid.People thought Kidd would make a difference? The Mavs are 2-4 on the road with Kidd with the 2 wins coming against horrible teams. Kidd has made zero difference whatsoever.
Nobody said they'd be firing on all cylinders either.What about the "Well, naturally there'd be an adjustment period" excuse?
Funny, but I don't recall anyone predicting the Mavs would experience a dropoff in play following the Kidd acquisition.
Who are these "Mav fans" you speak of?Mavs fans in here expected DAL to dominate right away with Kidd making flashy passes all over the place and leaving a trail of glitter as he runs down the court.
It's not about us or what we think, but what the front office thinks. This trade is just as much about next year as it is this one. Jason Kidd is a better player than Devin Harris, and the Mavericks are better off in his hands this year and next. There will come a time when Devin Harris is better than Kidd, but they weren't willing to wait on that day to come while Dirk's prime still has a shelf left of 2-3 years after this one. If you can't understand that, get a clue.And if they did expect a dropoff, isn't that a bad strategic move? To acquire a guy and lose crucial games while he and the team adjust to each other? Can't have it both ways.
.Plus, the "toughest teams in the NBA on the road" excuse is lame. You're supposed to elevate your play against those teams, and DAL didn't
You are so ing stupid. Those three games could've gone either way. Close doesn't cut it, and there are no moral victories when the West race is like this, but they can hang with the elite teams and almost beat them when Josh Howard is a basket case. Get a clue.
Hi Jeff.Meanwhile SA quitely adds a couple of mere backups at the deadline and keeps rolling along. Kidd = panic move. SA, on the other hand, as it usually does at the deadline calmly makes few waves and ends up being the 2nd-hottest team in the league after the deadline. The difference between the two teams is personified by their best players. DAL like Dirk is hot-headed (Terry is a grade-A whiner), impulsive, weak defensively, and quails under pressure. SA like Duncan is calm, methodical, strong defensively, and responds positively to pressure. DAL is like Sonny in the Godfather, prone to making stupid impulsive decisions and getting wiped out. SA is Michael.
Suns got the worse end but the Mavs have some serious problems on the defensive end. Their O will get going and kick it in high gear. Their perimeter defense is going to be what will constantly get raped in the playoffs. It is a VERY serious issue they have had since June 2006 and it hasnt gotten any better. Mavs will stay compe ive and wont be a walk in the park but they arent going anywhere near a championship when perimeter superstar players can score in anyway they want to.
Oh great, another guy to sign his own posts
Anyone that has watched the games knows that the Suns are much worse off than Dallas. Dallas at least looks decent on the court while the Suns get blown out and Shaq gets an amazing 6 points.
Dallas can easily rise back up in the standings. The Suns are on the verge of sinking out of the playoffs with their .500 ball.
In short term: Suns
Long term: I think Mavs
I think it's possible. Houston's streak has to end some time. Plus the team will get to see Kidd as the lone leader on the court.
It's a toss up. I was shocked when Phoenix let Thomas go - what were they thinking. He guarded Duncan really well - and it would have allowed them to keep Marion. Keep Thomas then they don't need Shaq.
Dallas letting Nash go was absolutely just as stupid - they've been looking for a good point guard ever since. Keep Nash and they get to keep Harris and Diop - who could guard Duncan.
Both the Mavs and Suns got worse....ROFLMAO...panic boys..panic.
I think Suns by far got the worst end of the deal. Shaq was brought in to provide defense. Their defense has gotten worse, with team regularly putting up 120 points every night. And, I don't see Shaq helping them next year either. He will be older and slower.
I think right now, the Suns are in such disaray they don't make the playoffs, Kerr is fired, D'antoni might be fired, and they will try to somehow convince another team to take on Shaqs 20 million contract over the offseason. You also have to wonder how long Nash will stick around if they go down the tubes this year after a great start. I think the Sun is sinking fast in the Valley of the Sun.
My only question is where has Da_Suns_Fan been hahah damn loser!!
Both the Mavs and Suns got worse....ROFLMAO...panic boys..panic.
good luck in the first round boys
Why are you guys playing Golden State again?
good luck in the first round boys
DD
Suns by a mile. Kidd is a known quan y. He's a step slower than his prime, but he's going to be able to maintain a fairly high level of play probably for another season or two, maybe more. His game was never all about his athleticism. He's bounced back from injuries that have completely derailed other careers. Shaq on the other hand was never anything but a genetic lottery winner. With his body breaking down he's got nothing left.
Compounding matters is that I think Shaq definitely represents the bigger black sheep of the deal. AJ is at least a fairly competent coach. Given enough time I think he'll find a way to make Kidd work in Dallas. D'Antoni is about as crappy a coach as you'll find in the NBA. Given a million years I think you'll still see him trying to play Shaq for 30+ minutes a game and running him around in the high post.
All things equal I have no trouble believing that the Mavs can be just as good, probably better next year with their roster exactly as is. The Suns are up creek with no draft picks to paddle with.
Suns. I don't even think it's a contest. They could have gotten someone a lot better for Marion than Shaq. And they should have tried to trade Amare for KG when they had the chance and kept Marion.
Why are these Rockets trolls coming out of the woodwork? Because they have an incredible winning streak? What difference will that make in the end? Get the back to ClutchCity.net
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Dude in your last few posts you seem to forget it was Diop who was main reason Mavs beat Spurs. Not Erica.
no it wasn't. Diop sat on the bench for all of regulation in Game 7 and Dampier banged on Duncan for 48 minutes. Then in overtime Diop came off the bench with fresh legs while Duncan had been playing the whole game.
Diop and Dampier are not the main reasons we beat you guys, he wears #41. Without those two guys, we don't win the series, but Dirk was more important to the cause.
all said, without Diop you don't win that series.
He's not in the category of irreplaceable. Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, Dirk Nowitzki are irreplaceable. Diop and his decent shotblocking and zero offensive game are not hard to find.
I've been very critical of the Kidd trade, but unless the Mavs are on the hook for 60 million dollars to him, this isn't even close. As the anchor around their neck drags the Suns into salary cap , that sound above them is their window closing for good.
Kidd's salary comes off the books after next year, but can this team overhaul and retool their roster for a le run next year? Who would want Jet and Stack's contract?
We need to get a low-post back to the basket scorer, and Josh Howard is our most valuable asset to get one back. Swingmen are easier to find and replace than low-post guys. If this thing is in the dumps a year from now, we can probably trade Kidd's expiring contract for something.
They can completely overhaul now, or try to do what Miami did two years ago and load up on veterans that still have a little bit left in the tank for one more run.
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