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I learned a long time ago that when a person uses the words "never" and "always" what they believe is a statement of fact, they're an idiot and not to be given any credence.
lol. the sheeple are dumb.
I learned a long time ago that when a person uses the words "never" and "always" what they believe is a statement of fact, they're an idiot and not to be given any credence.
fair enough.
oh, happy 5th anniverary of our country's unmatched, arrogant stupidity
you look good as a pink cheerleader.
Could it be that maybe McCain knows something he isn't
suppose to be talking about? Hmmmmmmmmmmm
could it be he doesn't know what he's talking about?
So you're calling him a senile blabbermouth? Hmmmmmmmmmmm
No but you fit the bill pretty well....
Enlighten us with your theory of what McCain knows or does not know . . .
Ok, out with it Ray. If the U.S. found out that Iran was resuming it's al-Qaeda patronage, why would they keep it a secret?
Petraeus is doing money-for-peace bribery because the extreme violence of the surge failed and was pissing off and radicalizing Iraqis, while costing too many American lives. He's now paying 80K Sunnis bribes of $300/month to stay cool, and arming them.
Anybody believe that Shiite Iran is really helping Sunni AQ, against the interests of Iraqi Shiites?
Bribery is an effective counterinsurgency tactic. The only real issue in Iraq is the political process -- Petraeus isn't bullish about the progress on that front.
Quite true. At the moment Iran is most interested in turning itself into a regional power of a wide Shiite belt than anything else.
Iran would have no problems training al-Qaeda, but not at the expense of Shi'ite's losing power.
McCain just stupidly said the wrong thing. Everybody does now and then, but that really is disturbingly bad. Wouldn't have bothered me too much if he said Sunni instead of Shi'ite, but the fact he was using al-Qaeda is a bit stupifying given the current situation in the ME.
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Ok, out with it Ray. If the U.S. found out that Iran was resuming it's al-Qaeda patronage, why would they keep it a secret?[/UNQUOTE]
I have no theory. Simply interjecting a random thought.
Many folks make slips, especially after many briefings, which
I am sure he had on his trip. I certainly don't know one
way or the other. But I ask: is it possible? You tell me.
As for as Iran openly revealing their support. I don't
think it is such a secret that they support most terrorist groups. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It is well
known that they do support terrorist with money and arms.
But Iran's friend is the current Iraqi government.
Here's what it looks like when the president of Iran visits Iraq:
Here's what it looks like when a nominee for president of the United States visits Iraq:
But Iran's friend is the current Iraqi government.
Here's what it looks like when the president of Iran visits Iraq:
Here's what it looks like when a nominee for president of the United States visits Iraq:
Sure they are! You bet! But how much would you bet?
How much would I bet Iran would side with the Shiite dominated Iraqi government over Sunni insurgents?
Quite a bit actually.
Why? Iran is Persian.
Both groups at odds with each other in Iraq are Arab, so that argument makes little sense.
I thought we were discussing Iran.
See how confusing it gets?
^^Not for me.
It's only a effective strategary for as long as the money last, but then what? You got a bunch of loonies running around with cash, weapons, and training....
...that's what led to the creation of 'Al-Queda' type groups in the first place, hmmm...I wonder what type of groups the occupation of Iraq will foster in the future?
The same type as al-Qaeda if we leave too early, or stay too long. Part of the al-Qaeda hatred is we didn't help enough back in the day.
It was stupid to go into Iraq when we did, but we cannot leave until the area is better than it was when we invaded, or else we will create a whole new batch of extremists, more than we are by staying.
[QUOTE]The same type as al-Qaeda if we leave too early, or stay too long. Part of the al-QaedaThat would be true if we were back in 03, but a lot has happened in 5 years that has hurt the credibility of the U.S. in Iraq and in the region, i don't think any of the leaders in Iraq really trust American politicians anymore...and won't for some time...so we can try and stay and calm the region, waste billions, maybe another trillion dollars and thousand more Iraq and American lives and actually have it work against us in the long run.....it other words, it's a cluster- ....hatred is we didn't help enough back in the day.
....better to withdrawal our troops, recope, retrain, rearm and refund than throw good money down a worthless hole....
You admitted you didn't know what was being talked about.
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