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    I submit that if you do not realize how ballsy that speech was then you simply don't understand American politics.

    Obama has a blanck check to speak out about race. Yet, obama will not do anything about his talking points. it's all fools gold. All he did was point out the frustrations of both racial groups, but he is never going to be questioned on how to solve it.

    Hey, wanna know something. The welfare system screws everyone. It's colorblind.

    Outsourcing screws everyone. Outsourcing is colorblind. Maybe, if we were all colorblind, we'd fix the problems better.

    Because all he did was point out the frustrations of both groups without making any bold statements on how to fix them.

    You want to know what his bold statement is for fixing race relations.

    It's this.

    Elect me, I'm white enough for liberals, and black enough to appease the "community" and make america feel less guilty. Change... yeah that's it.


    Obama is just artificial frosting.

    Until he proposes a platform which actually deviates from hillary clinton. Then yeah, i'll believe his change.

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    It's called damage control.

    And, if I had to give him a grade on it, I'd give him a B.
    Damage control would have been to let the comments fade not to keep them in more news cycles with this speech.

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    this guy transcends bravery and truth. in reality, these two other candidates don't belong in the same race.

    That's right. Being tortured and not giving in to the Vietcong pales in comparison to giving a superficial speech.

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    Damage control would have been to let the comments fade not to keep them in more news cycles with this speech.
    Thank GodisnotManny, you don't work for his campaign.

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    That's right. Being tortured and not giving in to the Vietcong pales in comparison to giving a superficial speech.
    that songbird nickname must burn, deep down. but, i know who you support.

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    that songbird nickname must burn, deep down. but, i know who you support.
    you're an idiot.

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    i just think it's puzzling to hear people constantly reminiscing about his stay at the hilton and don't ask why his comrades gave him the nickname. the moment he walked off that plane he was gold.

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    Thank GodisnotManny, you don't work for his campaign.
    You should have left it without the edit.



    If you think this speech was textbook political "damage control" then you are incredibly wrong. I don't know what more to say, but its pretty damn clear that this wasn't your run of the mill political speech. Its a 40 minute mesage on the racial situation in America that frames the origin of Wright's (and many others) comments and the outrage they brought out. It isn't a 1 sentence declaration of how horrible Wrights comments were. It was much much more.

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    i just think it's puzzling to hear people constantly reminiscing about his stay at the hilton and don't ask why his comrades gave him the nickname. the moment he walked off that plane he was gold.
    I don't like mccain. I voted thompson then romney.

    But that's not the point. Since when did Clitbake conveniently start believing millitary people, it sure wasn't around the Swift boat Veteran 2004 barnstorm.

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    You should have left it without the edit.



    If you think this speech was textbook political "damage control" then you are incredibly wrong. I don't know what more to say, but its pretty damn clear that this wasn't your run of the mill political speech. Its a 40 minute mesage on the racial situation in America that frames the origin of Wright's (and many others) comments and the outrage they brought out. It isn't a 1 sentence declaration of how horrible Wrights comments were. It was much much more.

    You mean to tell me that someone who throws a pastor under the bus in order to seek the highest office in the land has balls.

    all he did was, "hey i'm not some well to do Uppity Black radical".

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    I don't like mccain. I voted thompson then romney.

    But that's not the point. Since when did Clitbake conveniently start believing millitary people, it sure wasn't around the Swift boat Veteran 2004 barnstorm.
    if they were straightup military after capture, then they wouldn't have had the guts to adorn him with that tag. use your head igy

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    You mean to tell me that someone who throws a pastor under the bus in order to seek the highest office in the land has balls.

    all he did was, "hey i'm not some well to do Uppity Black radical".
    All you had to say was that you didn't listen to it or that you hadn't read it. Could have saved me some time.

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    if they were straightup military after capture, then they wouldn't have had the guts to adorn him with that tag. use your head igy
    So the swiftboat veterans are telling the truth aswell right?

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    All you had to say was that you didn't listen to it or that you hadn't read it. Could have saved me some time.

    I did listen to it. And actually, i wish i didn't. Could have saved me some time.

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    People in combat are not ballsy like Obama.

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    So the swiftboat veterans are telling the truth aswell right?
    gee, i don't know. let me step into my time machine and i'll get back to you.

    or would you rather stay in 2008 and discuss the reasons as to why the other 2 candidates don't belong in obama's league?

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    Manny do us all a favor.

    When Obama actually delivers a platform different from hillary. THen you can crown him as the next political messiah ready to atone for our racial sins.

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    gee, i don't know. let me step into my time machine and i'll get back to you.

    or would you rather stay in 2008 and discuss the reasons as to why the other 2 candidates don't belong in obama's league?


    But McCain existed back in time was there to see it and is running in 2008.

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    I did listen to it. And actually, i wish i didn't. Could have saved me some time.
    Then your comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. In no way did he throw Wright under the bus - he did the opposite when the polticaly smart thing to do would have been to do just what you said.

    And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions - the good and the bad - of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

    I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother

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    Manny do us all a favor.

    When Obama actually delivers a platform different from hillary. THen you can crown him as the next political messiah ready to atone for our racial sins.
    I believe there is more to a candidate than their platform.

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    You should have left it without the edit.



    If you think this speech was textbook political "damage control" then you are incredibly wrong. I don't know what more to say, but its pretty damn clear that this wasn't your run of the mill political speech. Its a 40 minute mesage on the racial situation in America that frames the origin of Wright's (and many others) comments and the outrage they brought out. It isn't a 1 sentence declaration of how horrible Wrights comments were. It was much much more.
    Manny all I got to say is what I posted in another
    thread. They guy is what he is a political animal who
    can read a speech off of prompters. But when he
    doesn't have those prompters he sounds just like what
    he is a bumbling idiot.

    What I posted earlier:

    Yeah he can deliver a speech. He can also throw his
    Grandmother under the bus and love his minister. He
    is going to bring us all together. I don't think so. He
    is a friggin liar in the first degree. Remember he wasn't
    there for any of his most wonderful minister's sermon's
    but now he was but just didn't agree with them.

    He wants to raise taxes
    He wants to have national health
    He wants to surrender in Iraq
    He supports his "hate" America minister
    His wife has only liked America, it was such a mean
    place, until he ran for President

    Yeah he is going to bring everyone together. Get a
    gripe Obama supporters, he isn't trying to bring anyone
    together except the haters and liberal's. He is what he
    is a smooth talking politicians and you better
    recognize it.

    Unquote

    Funny I didn't see the sky open, a choir singing in the
    background and those heavenly sun beams shinning down
    like you Manny. You are one dense individual.

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    becoming more and more irrelevant, ray.

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    I believe there is more to a candidate than their platform.

    Lets see;

    Obama's experience............ X

    Obama's stance on the issues ...........X, the same as hillary's.

    ......


    You know what?


    Even Bill Clinton practiced better third rail politics than obama.

    What makes Obama the great uniter? anyway.

    His speeking ablities?

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    Honestly dude, you don't believe in the guy, so why am I going to sit here wasting time arguing with you on the subject? Don't vote for him if you don't like him! Its fine. But don't say things that aren't true like you did above and then just ignore it when I point out how obviously wrong you are.

    I believe in Obama because of what he says. Because of speeches like this. I can point to so many things in this speech that you'd be hard pressed to find equivalents for in any policy/speech/statement from any other modern American politician but there is no use pointing them out to you because you've already written it off.

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