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Who was the Michigan coach for those QB's? Who is the coach now? What is track record and offense? Use some reasoning.
Ok, so none of the Michigan QBs except Brady have been majorly successful, but WAY more Mich QBs have been in NFL as of late than Ohio ones. I didn't quite understand if you were arguing for or against, but Mich has the decided edge in that category.
Who was the Michigan coach for those QB's? Who is the coach now? What is track record and offense? Use some reasoning.
Pat White isn't 6-6.
Actually, Coach Rod coached Shaun King at Tulane. And, while Shaun King didn't have a very good NFL career, it's still more successful than any quarterback Jim Tressell ever coached.
That Michigan needed a change. Thus, a change was made.
because Tressel had one true QB he recruited...oh and he won a Heisman. The one he was handed over by Cooper won a National le.
You can knock Troy Smith all you want, but if he was 6'4 he would have been taken in the first of 2nd round and you Michigan fans couldn't pound your chest about how great the legendary Shaun King is. Troy is still in the NFL, and after 1 year he didn't look all that bad. So your generalizing Tressel by one guy that wasn't his (Krenzel) and one guy that isn't proven yet (Smith)
Has there been a OSU QB in the last 25 years that has more than 20 career starts in the NFL? Honestly, Tupa is the only name I can think of and he turned into a uva punter.
Why does OSU get curbstomped when they play an SEC team? That 0-9 record drags down the rest of the B11.
great maybe Michigan should join the SEC
gotta love Michigan fans that brag about something they have nothing at all to do with.
Plus it's the Big 1 little 10
he still won't learn an NFL style offense no matter how tall he is. I personally think the kid had 3 bad choices that he used to make his top three, but I'd still go with OSU over Rich. Just my opinion, I'm more of a Texas fan so I feel about the same for OSU and Michigan.
Seriously, an 0-9 record. Why? They've always had talented players. Great teams. Is it just one of those things, an aberration so to speak?
Tom Brady
Brian Griese
Todd Collins
Elvis Grbac
Jim Harbaugh
Drew Henson
Unless you go back to Miami in the 80s, no one comes close to that.
All but one Wolverines starter since Grbac in 1989 has started a game in the NFL.
Who's the one? I can't figure it out.
Most of the successful NFL offenses now implement many spread principles. It's a misstatement to say a player learning the spread in college won't be learning an NFL style offense. Both Brady and Peyton Manning run offenses that have a lot of spread principles.
I actually think Pryor made a good decision choosing Ohio State. Ohio State's program is stable and has a winning tradition. I expect him to do well there. I just disagree with the argument that the spread won't develop a QB for the NFL.
Scott Dreisbach?
John Navarre?
Pretty sure Dreisbach started a few games for the Raiders. Navarre started a few for the Cards. Gutierrez never made a start at UM, did he?
EDIT: It is Dreisbach. I didn't know he was part of the Lions' roster during his NFL playing(if you could call it that) days.
Well let's change facts, shall we?
Fact is Troy Smith is not 6-4 so why bring up anything using a premise of "if he was?" If Mike Hart ran a 4.4 40, he'd be a top 10 pick. But, guess what? He doesn't run a 4.4 40.
Troy Smith won't play another game in the NFL. Baltimore will draft another QB. And, Troy Smith will be best served if he becomes a wide receiver. Great QB development by Tressell.
I wikied it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Dreisbach
"Between 1999 and 2003, Dreisbach spent time on the rosters of three NFL teams, the Oakland Raiders, the Buffalo Bills, and the Detroit Lions, but never saw any regular season action."
Yeah, my memory is going. He led the Raiders to few preseason victories before breaking his leg in 1999.
You know, I don't like Troy Smith, but he is being groomed to be their QB. They won't draft another, this year anyway.
He was being groomed. That staff is no longer there.
Boller, Smith and Cullen Finnerty? Even the Leos have a better trio than that.
Apples and oranges. The NFL offense that use some spread formations require the QB to make reads and secondary reads to throw while Rich's version of the spread has been best with a mobile QB who will make a primary read on passing plays but his secondary read is usually run. That is an extremely bad habit at the NFL level that will have to be reprogrammed in the kid's brain.
Like I said, neither option would be the best place but the kid made up his mind to choose between the two.
Apples and oranges indeed. If a kid is good enough and smart enough, he'll make the adjustment in the NFL. Tom Brady never ran a run-and-shoot type offense in college, but with the right personnel and coaching, he was smart enough to adapt. Same goes for any recruit and prospect.
who knows, the same team didn't go 0-9, the same coaches didn't go 0-9, its a mixture of a bunch of different coaches, philosophies everything.
he developed him enough to beat Michigan 3x to go 3-0.
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