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they said once they get rid of it in 2010 then there will never be a salary cap again
There will be at least one year with no cap.
they said once they get rid of it in 2010 then there will never be a salary cap again
roy for chad would work for me, but if it is true that Roy still counts against the cap even if we trade him then I guess that won't work. It is also important to note that the cowboys could potentially end up with 4-5 very good draft picks that they will have to sign, I assume and Hope one of those is a receiver. I would also love to see them go afer Boldin and try to trade a 3rd for Fabian Washington, that guy has a dream contract. They would maybe have to even give up a second to get him and his incredibly awesome contract.If they could somehow get Bolding and Washington that would give them a lot of flexibility in the draft. I was looking online just now and it shows that they have 17 million in Cap space, I am assuming that does not include the potential salary for Hamlin if he signs the franchise tag tender, but I think they will work out a deal with him before the season.
Dallas has about 3 million left in salary cap..If we trade Roy it counts like 4-5 million against us..
Is that 3 million number assuming that we will pay hamlin 10mil this year? That sucks about roy. Is that from his signing bonus? I wonder how we are going to sign our draft picks.
The cap works different for for draft picks and players who are new to the league in general but still counts on the overall cap, just in a different way.
Don't ask me how exactly because I have tried so hard to understand it and it gives me such tired head. It's why the Cowboys were able to sign Drew Henson even though they had little cap space but then had limited room to sign their draft picks.
30) Detroit: $4.4 million
31) Dallas: $3.9 million
32) Pittsburgh: $1.3 million
Just so you know.
best way to save money..
Cut Brad Johnson is the smart thing to do.
It will be $2.8M to keep him for next year. $2M base + 833k pro-rated signing bonus
By cutting him after June 1 we can save $2M on the cap. By cutting him before June 1 we can save $1.2M on the cap.
and restructure romo will help alot
I thought Romos deal that took over this year would help with the cap? He must have a high base salary the first couple of years, I guess they could put it into a roster bonus or signing bonus to even it out over the life of his contract.
romo signed a 60 omething million dollar contract and is gettin paid 6 million or so this season..
rothlesberger signed a 100 million dollar contract and is gettin paid 2 million this season
Jeff Boyer, Rockford, Ohio: I don't really understand the financials of trading players in the NFL, but do know that you can take some cap hits. How big of cap hits would Akin Ayodele or Bobby Carpenter be to the Cowboys if they traded them? Also, can the teams trading for these players help with the cap hit?
Mickey: No, they can't. Now one more time: The cap hits stem from prorated signing bonuses. Those bonuses already have been paid or guaranteed, but are delayed hitting the cap. If you trade a guy, the remainder of the proration accelerates into your cap. Take Ayodele. He's easy. Received a $5 million signing bonus on a five-year deal, so that divides out to $1 million a year. He's been here two years, so two-fifths of the proration already has been accounted for. Another fifth ($1 million) hits this year. If you trade him, then the remaining $2 million also hits, but they would then get back his $2.5 million base salary. So the Cowboys look at it as a $500,000 saving since the $1 million already is counting in 2008 no matter what. I look at it as costing you $3 million for nobody. As for Carpenter, he's more expensive since his signing bonus/guarantees totaled $7.5 million on a five-year deal. That means there still is $4.5 million of unaccounted proration. So trading him means the Cowboys take a $4.5 million hit, and really, his base salary isn't much, like $600,000 or so.
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cf...47F7CBC2EB3919
Last edited by mardigan; 03-24-2008 at 04:42 PM.
I wonder if a team can send cash that can in turn allow the cowboys to recoup the cap space, same as when a team goes after a player for their signing bonus, similiar to Ricky williams or Michael Vick.
Also it is a shame that the cowboys have to take a 4.5 million dollar cap hit on Carpenter. From what is sounds like on nfl radio on Sirius a lot of teams would be really interested in having him on their roster.
No. Otherwise rich teams like Dallas and Washington would be taking in trades all the time.
2 different things.
You're talking about trading players from the draft. I'm talking about signing draft picks under the cap.
I guess I should have clarified, can a team send cash to be used towards the cap and in turn lose that cap space themselves.
Example
Cowboys trade roy williams, the team who he goes to sends 4 million in cash(the remainder of the prorated signing bonus) In turn they can take the cap hit over the remainder of the roys contract. Still don't think it could happen, just a thought.
When a player signs a deal, they are paid the bonuses immediately. Then, the bonus cap hit is prorated over the life of the contract. So the player gets the money right away, but, so the cap hit is not ridiculous, the bonus CAP HIT (just a number against the cap. The money has already been dealt) is divided evenly over the whole life of the deal. But when a player is cut or traded, the deal no longer belongs to the team who paid the bonus. Therefore, all remaining cap hit from the bonus gets accelerated into that year's cap space. So even though the money was paid to Chad long ago, the cap hit is still being spaced out, a few million bucks a year, so the cap is not overloaded in one season. If he gets traded, then Cinci has to swallow that hit right away.
That is why Dallas can't take on any of the hit. This isn't the NBA where teams can trade money. It is against the rules AND Chad has already gotten all that money. The issue right now is just a number on Cinci's cap (and the fact they paid a huge bonus worthy of a multi year deal to a guy who only played out like two years for them.)
No. That is not how the NFL works. Cap hits are unmovable. If it's on your team there is zero relief.
Like I said, if it was that easy the Cowboys and Redskins would be a sponge for upcoming contracts from teams that can't afford to re-sign a player. That is very much how the English Premier League works (but they don't have a cap but teams commonly trade players for money, it's basically how free agency works in soccer)
Last edited by Evan; 03-25-2008 at 02:40 PM.
yup yup
The NBA cap system is basically idiotic, the MLB is suicide on its future and the NFL's is so confusing the teams have a group people hired to solely work on the number.
Steven Jones designed the darn thing initially and even he has said it's extremely difficult to know at all times where a team’s cap is at and how it will be affected by various moves until you sit down and really study it.
If I am not mistaken the previous seasons reported cap isn't even turned in yet by the teams. I don't think it's due until right before the draft. So the team has to tell the league what its salary was and explain why and the league verifies it by what the NFLPA reports. I think that is how it basically works.
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