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I'm going to say David would win 7 out of 10 times or so. David's face-up game was better than Tim's, and he's got quicker hands. In 5 on 5 it's Tim in a no-brainer though.
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David dunks on one of best defenders ever all day long, get off David's nutsack will you. It just kills you that Tim is going down as the better player in history. I say it is close one on one and you say it is a blowout for David, no way in . David said flat out "He could not defend Tim" Tim could not have great success against him either that is why i said it was close.
I'm going to say David would win 7 out of 10 times or so. David's face-up game was better than Tim's, and he's got quicker hands. In 5 on 5 it's Tim in a no-brainer though.
How is Duncan going to stop it...no one else could.
I love that alley-oop from AJ to David at about the 2:50 mark.
duncan. duncan proved he can win without d-rob, not vise-versa.
Best defenders ever? You think Duncan was a better defender than Robinson?
You're wrong again.
And why don't you get off Duncan's nutsac face?
It's okay for you to defend Duncan completely out of your ass but not okay for me to defend Robinson with pretty accurate comparisons to modern players?
Getting to see both of them?
Go yourself.
You don't know what the you are talking about. Period.
Duncan is going down as a better player because he won 4 championships...It just kills you that Tim is going down as the better player in history.
It kills me that ing bandwaggoning Spurs fans that barely saw David Robinson play all over him out of their ignorance.
I say it is close one on one and you say it is a blowout for David, no way in . David said flat out "He could not defend Tim" Tim could not have great success against him either that is why i said it was close.
Yeah well....Duncan's a great block scorer...but he'll still miss more bank shots than the Admiral will dunks.
And you want to bring up Hakeem...I am going to bring up Amare...Amare dropped 37PPG on Duncan...
No one remembers because Duncan's team won...
So you are saying Vinny Del Negro is a better shooting guard than Manu Ginobili?
And BTW, drbieden...that David Robinson that defended Duncan was a guy who had been defacto crippled by a hernia and back injuries...and was still a better defender than Duncan was. David Robinson was 32 years old when Duncan joined the Spurs. That's pretty old for a guy who's greatest attribute was his athleticism.
Man can't read or ing write. I said he is one of the best defenders ever, i did not say he was better than David, lets see what else did you screw up???
"Go yourself.
You don't know what the you are talking about. Period."
Go myself, now there is a compelling argument boy we are really getting somewhere now aren't we????
"Duncan is going down as a better player because he won 4 championships...
It kills me that ing bandwaggoning Spurs fans that barely saw David Robinson play all over him out of their ignorance."
I saw Robinson play basically his whole career and he was a great player but he never even got his team to a finals in an era in the west that one team was not dominant. It was a new team getting in the finals every year. When did David's Spurs ever have to go up against MJ's Bulls like Ewings knicks and Millers pacers did year after year after year. For all his individual skill he did not get the most out of his teams, he needed TD to win those rings, if he had not showed up D-Rob would be in the same boat all time as Ewing.
"And you want to bring up Hakeem...I am going to bring up Amare...Amare dropped 37PPG on Duncan..."
Back to that reading problem of your's, i never said a word about Hakeem, have a nice day hooked on phonics right down the road.
That is Dbreiden, MR. Robinson.
This is David dunking all over a two time DPOY:
Code:Charlotte (111) @ San Antonio (124) 01/16/93 Charlotte (111) POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF TP Johnson,Larry F 42 6-16 5- 8 1- 3 1-14 4 1 0 3 2 18 Newman,Johnny F 14 1- 1 5- 6 0- 0 1- 1 0 0 0 0 4 7 Mourning,Alonzo C 32 9-20 6-10 0- 0 2- 5 0 0 4 2 5 24 Bogues,Muggsy G 34 3- 7 5- 6 0- 0 1- 6 7 0 0 3 2 11 Gill,Kendall G 40 6-16 4- 6 0- 0 1- 4 2 4 0 1 1 16 Gattison,Kenny 15 0- 1 1- 2 0- 0 0- 2 2 0 1 0 5 1 Wingate,David 21 3- 6 1- 2 0- 1 3- 3 0 2 1 1 0 7 Curry,Dell 26 7-12 0- 0 1- 1 0- 1 2 1 0 1 1 15 Bennett,Tony 14 4- 6 2- 3 2- 3 0- 0 2 1 0 0 2 12 Hammonds,Tom 2 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 0- 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 TOTALS 240 39-85 29-43 4- 8 9-38 19 9 6 11 22 111 FG %: .459 FT %: .674 Three %: .500 Team Rebs: 17 Team TOs: 0 San Antonio (124) POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF TP Ellis,Dale F 38 9-17 0- 0 3- 6 2- 6 4 0 0 1 2 21 Carr,Antoine F 15 5- 6 2- 3 0- 0 0- 2 2 0 3 0 6 12 Robinson,David C 40 20-28 11-15 1- 2 3-14 3 0 7 2 3 52 Johnson,Avery G 32 2- 4 0- 0 0- 0 0- 0 12 1 0 1 4 4 Del Negro,Vinny G 36 6-14 2- 2 0- 1 2- 7 3 1 0 3 5 14 Reid,J.R. 24 0- 6 4- 4 0- 0 1-10 0 0 0 0 4 4 Daniels,Lloyd 17 1- 6 0- 0 1- 3 0- 0 5 0 0 1 2 3 Smith,Larry 14 1- 1 0- 0 0- 0 2- 3 1 0 0 0 3 2 Wood,David 11 1- 2 1- 2 0- 0 0- 1 1 0 1 2 2 3 Mack,Sam 13 3- 8 3- 4 0- 2 2- 4 0 0 0 1 1 9 TOTALS 240 48-92 23-30 5-14 12-47 31 2 11 11 32 124 FG %: .522 FT %: .767 Three %: .357 Team Rebs: 9 Team TOs: 1 Charlotte 21 28 23 39 -- 111 San Antonio 30 31 30 33 -- 124 Officials: JIM CAPERS, TOMMY NUNEZ, DAN CRAWFORD Attendance: 16057 Time of Game: 2:08
I know it's surprising for you to see an offensive stiff with no move like David Robinson scoring 52 points in a game...but he did it on a few occasions, believe it or not...
For a guy that couldn't score...David sure could score...like as in he won a scoring le...I know...it was luck.
Seriously...you guys should apply for a job with ESPN...you'll fit right in.
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It's as compelling as your argument that I should get off Robinson's nutsac.
Um...David's Spurs ing owned the Jordan Bulls...but I shouldn't have to tell that to a guy who was..."watching him play for his entire career."
[B]"Duncan is going down as a better player because he won 4 championships...
It kills me that ing bandwaggoning Spurs fans that barely saw David Robinson play all over him out of their ignorance."
I saw Robinson play basically his whole career and he was a great player but he never even got his team to a finals in an era in the west that one team was not dominant. It was a new team getting in the finals every year. When did David's Spurs ever have to go up against MJ's Bulls like Ewings knicks and Millers pacers did year after year after year. For all his individual skill he did not get the most out of his teams, he needed TD to win those rings, if he had not showed up D-Rob would be in the same boat all time as Ewing.
Duncan had new teams every couple of years? So did David...he also had a new coach just about every year.
And I'm sorry...but the Spurs were not as well run then as they are now, David Robinson was not surrounded by the talent Duncan has been for his entire career.
IF all we need is Duncan, then how come we don't win it every year?
You don't think Mario Elie's daggers mattered?
You don't think Robert Horry's game 5 mattered?
Well David Robinson didn't have Mario Elie or Robert Horry...Hakeem did.
"And you want to bring up Hakeem...I am going to bring up Amare...Amare dropped 37PPG on Duncan..."
Back to that reading problem of your's, i never said a word about Hakeem, have a nice day hooked on phonics right down the road.
My bad...usually those talking out of their ass bring that up right off the bat...I give you props for your uniqueness among ass talkers.
When the cnversation turn into Admiral talk,I always hear that Dave was a pussy and no discussion you can lead from that statment.
This thing pissing me off as much as ppl (nba fans) wanting to hurt Bowen, wish him injury.
Back to the oryginal topic
whottt - it is one on one alone without all the team you like to add (like Amare comparison). How would Dave dunk on Tim? You talking about being posterized all the time?
It would be great matchup. Dave had great fade away, Tim got hooks in the arsenal. Dave can hit a J from every spot in the mid range, Tim got both bank angles and in front of a basket jumper nad many more which I won't bring up here cause I'm tired and the english launguage is so difficult right now it's insaine. I can't even write one correct sentence.
Ohh I will be tommorow in the discussion maybe.
good nighty spurs frickos
them both, I take Shaq in his prime.
Duncan had more drive to win les, he trusts his teamates more(an d they are more worthy of that trust) and utilizes them better...he's got more poise.
He also put more pressure on the Spurs to win championships than David did...
But people act like David Robinson couldn't win a game in his career....we won. we almost won a couple of championships, we came very close to winning a couple of championships...but those teams were not as good...and it isn't because Duncan is so much better than Robinson. It's because Duncan's teams are better coached and better constructed than David Robinsons.
One on one...I'm sorry, but there is no way Duncan could guard David Robinson...
Yes, David would literally dunk on him all day long.
Like I said...you watched Duncan guard Dirk and Amare? David was faster than they were...he was bigger, he was taller, he was stronger, he could jump higher.
Duncan wins a couple on him because he won't quit playing until he beats David, he never gives up and the Admiral decides he wants to go surf the internet or play the Sax...plus he wants Timmy to feel good about himself and god wouldn't want David to keep kicking poor Timmy's ass mercilessly.
That's exactly how it would go down.
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LOL, yeah that is right they owned them in the finals all those years right, oops no that never happened. They were too busy getting spanked down by worldbeaters like Malone and the Jazz, Hakeem and the Rockets, and Barkley and the Suns. Regular season success against the Bulls, GEEZ talk about a bull argument. So i guess if they got by the inferior teams they would have owned the best in the finals right pal???
BTW i just checked, the Cavs owned us last year during the season.
It would be close, but Timmy would win. He is too compe ive not to win.
Tim Duncan never beat those Jazz...and the Jordan Bulls his kicked his ass.
Duncan was also dealt the worse asskicking in WCF playoff history.
And Karl Malone kicked his ass in the 2004 WCF as well.
Bring up Karl Malone...Duncan never beat him either. And he hasn't beaten Shaq since David retired. Which is understandable...since David was the guy guarding Shaq.
I know...Pop was stupid for not seeing Duncan was the superior defender over Robinson.
Hakeem and the Rockets, and Barkley and the Suns. Regular season success against the Bulls, GEEZ talk about a bull argument. So i guess if they got by the inferior teams they would have owned the best in the finals right pal???
So essentially what you are saying is that you can't tell the difference between Tony Parker and Avery Johnson, and Manu Ginobili and Vinny Del Negro.
Or between Pop and Jerry Tarkanian?
Must suck to be that ing stupid...maybe when Pop, Tony and Manu are in the HOF, your head will magically remove itself from your butt.
Duncan didn't have anything to do with that...did you see him hoisting the finals MVP?BTW i just checked, the Cavs owned us last year during the season.
Your argument...not mine.
An ass kicking by a le tested Laker team that was legitmately great as opposed to the butt kicking the Spurs got by West teams not good enough to win it all when it was almost always a new team in the finals every year in D-Rob's day.
BTW Duncan bounced back in 2003 with D-Rob all but done, Manu all over the place, Tony young, raw, good one minute lousy the next, to dominate the playoffs beat the Championship Lakers, and win it all. That was all Timmy all the time big guy.
Because Amare gets Soooo many points on Timmy iso on the block... please... Amare gets his points from kicks and cuts...
I have no idea who would win that matchup to start...but the more they played 1v1... the more Tim would win... I can almost assure you of that.
What Amare does because of Steve Nash? David could do with no one. In fact he did...in his best season. In fact you could say he played both the Steve Nash and the Amare' roles in his best season.
I can't...I think if both wanted to win David would win about 95% of the time. The more Duncan beat Robinson...the more motivated David would be.I have no idea who would win that matchup to start...but the more they played 1v1... the more Tim would win... I can almost assure you of that.
1-on-1? David probably wins it. He was bigger, faster, stronger and more athletic. Plus, his jumper was better and he'd be more of a threat to block a shot. Tim would have to rely on post moves to score, while David could just drive around Tim.
As for when they're primes were, David's was obviously at some point in '94 or '95. TD is harder to figure out. His post moves were best early in his career but his defense didn't become consistently good until later. I'd guess you'd have to say '03 but a lot of the aspects of his game are actually better today (passing, weakside defense, leadership).
The only reason David isn't considered a top ten player of all-time is just bad luck. First of all, he had horrible teammates during his prime. Everyone talks about KG having bad teammates but David's were consistently much worse. On top of that, David played in probably the most physical and slow paced era in the history of the NBA. If you move his career ten years sooner or ten years later and he'd be unguardable. David in his prime today with the no handchecking rules, charge circle and faster paced games would be unstoppable. He could average 32-34 points if he played today.
David gets bashed for not winning before 1999 but Duncan too would have had zero rings playing on all those teams David was on. The supporting cast and coaches on those teams were just not good enough. Put Tim on the 1995 team and that team probably has 10 less regular season wins and gets bounced in the second round.
The thing about TD is he's built for playoff basketball. Everything about his game fits in perfect for when the playoffs begin. TD can orchestrate an offense on the low block. He's compe ive, consistent and never backs down. He's also great at adjusting during games and during series. If you want to build a prototype for a bigman that can excel in playoff basketball, the result would end up playing a lot like TD.
David was just more of an athletic freak of nature who happened to be a great basketball player. His game wasn't especially built for the playoffs but it wasn't like his level of play dipped in the playoffs. It was just the same domination he showed during the regular season. Give David two possible Hall of Famers at the guard positions and he too could have won championships.
History will show the Tim was a lot better than David but that just isn't true. David was unlucky and Tim was lucky ... and that was the biggest difference in their careers.
You mean like the Houston Rockets? You know..the defending champions...
Then how come they didn't beat them the next season?BTW Duncan bounced back in 2003 with D-Rob all but done, Manu all over the place, Tony young, raw, good one minute lousy the next, to dominate the playoffs beat the Championship Lakers, and win it all. That was all Timmy all the time big guy.
I mean hey...they had Duncan, and Manu, and Parker...
And the Lakers added that pussy Karl Malone that could even beat a soft choker like David Robinson.
Your double standard is pathetic...as is your argument, and your concept of what wins a championship.
Just say it...Duncan is better because he has more championships, because that is what is you think...that is the depth of your insight into the game of basketball.
Nailed it...
The people that use the rings argument are consumed with rings...which means they probably weren't much of Spur fan prior to the Spurs winning one. Which also explains their lack of knowledge about why the earlier Spurs didn't win...
You are what you eat.......
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