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    then UNC has wasted a scholly. not tens of millions.

    the problem is, I don't think you understand WHY the NBA went to the age limit. it had absolutely nothing to do with getting their future draft picks national exposure at the college level. it had everything to do with with hedging the risks on the kids that they were investing millions into.

    yes, there will still always be busts even with the age limit. but the longer the NBA waits, the more they learn about a kid's maturity and skills, which lowers the risk factor significantly compared to drafting kids straight out HS.
    Wrong.

    David Stern wants future NBA stars to build name recognition in college. But his plan takes away freedom of choice for legal adults over age 18.

    If I were the next Lebron James, why not sit out my first two years of college and not risk injury?

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    i read your idea. but it does not matter when you say that they must work it out, because the premise is beyond reason.

    the ncaa will never agree to a policy that strips their athletes of their amateurism. you can list all the other advantages you want, but it's not going to happen.
    Don't believe it.

    The NCAA is losing its biggest stars every year to the NBA draft.

    The Olympics changed their policy, why not the NCAA?

    The NBA money must be kept in escrow until they player leaves college.

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    The proportion of college stars who become college stars, has gone down.
    This sentence makes as much sense as your idea.

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    Correct. But if they stayed in college two more years, until they were juniors, they would bring a giant fan base with them to the NBA.
    just like red did?

    unless the guy proves to be a star at the NBA level, fan bases won't follow him. and if proves to be a star, he'll generate his own base anyways.

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    Correct. But if they stayed in college two more years, until they were juniors, they would bring a giant fan base with them to the NBA.
    College fan bases tend to follow the school. There is some bleed-over to the NBA when a particularly good player graduates, but not all THAT much.

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    Wrong.

    David Stern wants future NBA stars to build name recognition in college. But his plan takes away freedom of choice for legal adults over age 18.

    If I were the next Lebron James, why not sit out my first two years of college and not risk injury?
    well, if you say it's wrong, then it must be wrong. especially since you're spot on with everything else in this thread.

    the NBA just loved investing millions of kids whose top compe ion had been high school and the AAU circuit.

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    Do you have proof of this? Stern doesn't care about the college he only cares about the NBA.

    The reason he put an age limit is because of how many horrible high school players trying to make the NBA, that weren't ready unlike the Lebron's, T-macs, Kobe and Kg's!


    Um..do you realize that college players take out insurance against the risk of injuries
    exactly. and the NBA knows that they are going to get the Lebrons and T-Macs and Kobes eventually anyways.

    the age limit is all about hedging risk.

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    NCAA Men's Division I MOP Award
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Ba...tanding_Player

    Naismith College Player of the Year
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naismit...er_of_the_Year

    The quality has gone down, to the detriment of both the NBA and NCAA.

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    This sentence makes as much sense as your idea.
    fixed the typo:

    "The proportion of college stars who become NBA stars, has gone down."

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    Also how is the salary cap structured too? Do you have to include a players salary that is in college against the cap?
    Yes, it counts against the salary cap.

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    then that even makes it a worse idea

    Really a owner is going to pay a player that doesn't play for his team for 2-3 years and it's going to count against the salary cap?
    dude, then if that's such a big problem, DON'T DRAFT HIM.

    Can you not see the light?

    Why do you think David Stern encourages all the top players to play in the Olympics?

    TO BUILD NAME RECOGNITION FOR THE NBA.

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    The NBA doesn't need name recognition. It needs positive PR. And while Stern may want more players to play Olympic basketball, the teams aren't so wild about it.

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    I want to see one story, just one, about a current or former NBA player who regrets not finishing his education before entering the league.

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    dude, then if that's such a big problem, DON'T DRAFT HIM.

    Can you not see the light?

    Why do you think David Stern encourages all the top players to play in the Olympics?

    TO BUILD NAME RECOGNITION FOR THE NBA.
    the olympics don't interfere with the regular season or playoffs.

    you're still talking about paying guys to NOT play for you.

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    The NBA doesn't need name recognition. It needs positive PR. And while Stern may want more players to play Olympic basketball, the teams aren't so wild about it.
    Really, the NBA doesn't need name recognition. Do you realize that the college basketball still has more fans than the NBA? Even though the NBA has better players?

    Galileo's plan is all about marketing.

    The NBA should shorten their regular season schedule as well. Compared to other sports, both college and pro, it is the most out of wack.

    The playoffs should be run like this:

    Round One; one game elimination, all teams included, top team in each conference gets a bye.

    Round Two; best of three

    Round Three; best of five

    Conference Finals; best of seven

    Finals; best of nine

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    The problem isn't name recognition. The problem is PR. It's not like people are saying "huh, what's the NBA?".

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    I want to see one story, just one, about a current or former NBA player who regrets not finishing his education before entering the league.
    Do you realize that players with a degree have a better shot of getting a coaching or broadcasting job? Or working as an agent? Or in anything basketball related?

    Do you understand that when the NBA encourages players to finish college, it helps the reputation of the league.

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    I think It's a shame that Ricky Rubio will not be able to enter the draft this year. I feel that if you play at the pro level, even if it's overseas, the rule should not be enforced.

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    Do you realize that players with a degree have a better shot of getting a coaching or broadcasting job? Or working as an agent? Or in anything basketball related?

    Do you understand that when the NBA encourages players to finish college, it helps the reputation of the league.
    That may be true, but it doesn't speak at all to the point Spurminator made...

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    Do you realize that players with a degree have a better shot of getting a coaching or broadcasting job? Or working as an agent? Or in anything basketball related?

    Do you understand that when the NBA encourages players to finish college, it helps the reputation of the league.

    Then give me the name of a player who has attributed his failure to land a broadcasting or coaching gig to his unfinished education.

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    Then give me the name of a player who has attributed his failure to land a broadcasting or coaching gig to his unfinished education.
    Dontonio Wingfield.

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    The player still gets the money. That's the risk of drafting young raw talent. Young raw talent sitting on your bench doesn't help your team anyway.
    Once again to you actually think a NBA FO will pay money to a player they will never use??

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    Once again to you actually think a NBA FO will pay money to a player they will never use??
    the team pays the money, the the league. They don't have to draft underclassmen who stay in college. But they have the choice if they want to take the risk.

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