And watch them rip Odom to shreds when the Lakers get knocked out in the 2nd round.
Caron Butler or Antoine Jamison >>>>> Odom
Rasheed Wallace or Hamilton >>>>> Odom
David West or Tyson Chandler >>>>> Odom
and Odom is not clearly better than Ray Allen, Tony Parker, Monta Ellis, Jason Kidd, Grant Hill, Marcus Camby
charles must have been smoking some chronic with webber in the back
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I don't. Laker fan through and through. At least I support my team, Conseco Field House looks mighty empty these days. Bunch of bandwagon Pacer fans only show up when their team is doing well.
Barkley didn't say the best 3rd "option" in the league. He said the best 3rd player talent wise in the league per team. I agree with that statement! But it all depends on who you're claiming as the 3rd best player on certain teams. Some of the names I see, like Ginobili are not the 3rd best players on their team. IMO
yea, talentwise Odom is an incredible talent, as i said earlier, more talented and gifted than a lot of #1 guys in the league.
I didn't hear what Charles said last night, but the le of this thread states that Charles said Odom was the "best No. 3 player." That doesn't specify that it only relates to talent.
At any rate, it's still only arguable at best that Odom is more talented than guys like Ray Allen, Rasheed Wallace, Caron Butler, and Tony Parker.
I say Odom is better Monta, Grant Hill, and Chandler at this time. Look at stats and overall impact lately. Odom can be a very good #2 when his head's in the game. I can't say the same thing about those afformentioned players.
@ odom being better than parker/allen/ellis
I can't wait to see "The Big Choke" aka Lamar Odom fail miserably in the playoffs. I have never, ever seen a player choke as many times as him.
I didn't hear what charles said last night either but this article implies that he said Odom's versitility makes him the 3rd best player on any team. He is more versitile than Butler, Parker, Allen, Hamilton, etc..(I wont use Wallace because no way, in my opinion is he the 3rd best player on Pistons. I would give him co-best on the team, tied with Billips). Odom can play any position on the floor and play it well. The guy does it all! Defend, rebound, leads the break, assists, blocks. He is definitely the best 3rd player on any team in my opinion.
He fails - all the time - in crunch time. The fact that his effectiveness invariably slips come playoff time makes him a VERY independable 3rd option at best.
[QUOTE=Ronaldo McDonald]He fails - all the time - in crunch time. The fact that his effectiveness invariably slips come playoff time makes him a VERY independable 3rd option at best.[/QUOTE]
Actually, he hit the game winner vs GS last game....and has improved his late game decision making with timely rebounds and blocks. , I wanted him gone a while ago but he's converting me and he always plays hard in the playoffs. He played very well last year and it wasn't his play that lost us the series. Show me some facts that prove your sentiment or are you just another parrot that gets fed information from everyone else.
The "3rd Option" at best is independable....wow I'd love a 3rd option that scores 18 and 10.....man you're pretty dense.Career Playoff Averages
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
03-04 MIA 13 13 39.4 0.445 0.308 0.681 2.5 5.8 8.3 2.8 1.1 0.8 3.23 4.50 16.8
05-06 LAL 7 7 44.9 0.495 0.200 0.667 2.1 8.9 11.0 4.9 0.4 1.1 3.29 3.30 19.1
06-07 LAL 5 5 38.4 0.482 0.273 0.500 4.0 9.0 13.0 2.2 0.4 1.2 2.00 3.40 19.4
Career -- 25 25 40.7 0.467 0.254 0.645 2.7 7.3 10.0 3.3 0.8 1.0 3.00 3.90 18.0
Lamar is just not a great free throw shooter, it's no surprise that he clanks free throws in the clutch because he does it all game. He's a career 70%-75% shooter from the line. His playoff stats are actually better than his regular season numbers FWIW.
That being said this whole discussion is stupid. When Gasol and Bynum get back Lamar won't even be a 3rd option, he'll be a 4th option. And the Lakers will win championships, and the Spurs will be on the decline and never reach the promise land again. And all will be right with the world.
Let's not count our chickens before they hatch DC. Yes, the guys are looking good based on those training vids lately, but they need to come back close to 100% and then we can talk. Remember, no team has seen us with our full complement of bigs yet. I honestly believe we are holding off playing them together until it's necessary to keep the league guessing. But that's just my opinion.
I'm not even talking about this season, I"m talking about next season and beyond. This is the last chance the old dinosaurs of the WC have at a ring before the next generation of teams take over. For the Spurs, Mavs, and Suns this is the end of the road.
Next year LAL, POR, NOH, UTA, and HOU will be the top teams in the WC.
I'll say it once and I'll say it again.
Spurs don't have a 3rd Option.
Duncan, Parker and Ginobili are Options 1A, 1B, and 1C. Some nights we might run our offense through Duncan. Other nights it might be Ginobili, or Tony. It usually depends on the flow of the game.
Had a thread on this in Spurs awhile back. NFW Odom is better than Parker. What a laugh.
Versatility is definitely an asset. That along with the potential to be great does not make a player better than players that simply produce better.
Heck, Jared Jeffries is one of the most versatile players in the league. He still sucks.
It takes more than versatility to be good.
Does Jefferies average 18,10 in the playoffs....I'm just saying....
What's your point when Lakeshow1 stated:
I didn't hear what charles said last night either but this article implies that he said Odom's versitility makes him the 3rd best player on any team.
Man dazedandconfused, you are awfully defensive about something that completely isn't true. Makes ya wonder...
And loyalty isn't the reason Conseco Fieldhouse is empty, principle is. But I don't want to rain on your parade of pretending to know everything while knowing nothing, so carry on.
He was the #2 option in those teams at the time. Plus you need to put those numbers in context. He got 10 rebounds a game the last two years against Phoenix. That's actually pretty poor for a guy his size.
Also look at his shooting percentages. 2pt is normal, but 3pt and free throws especially are terribly poor.
I personally remember seeing his play in Miami way back when he was a rookie, playing alongside Wade, and thought he was great and had a lot of upside. But after a couple of years, even playing with one of the best coaches out there, it looks like the guy just doesn't want to put forth the effort or something.
With his size and talent, he should be posting guys up and dominating, but it's just not happening.
No team with Lamar Odom will ever advance to the NBA Finals.
Go yourself. I really don't give a what you think.
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