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Mo Williams
I don't believe Manu has been the MVP. I do think, however, that this year BOTH Tim and Manu have been carrying this team. I'm not ready to say Manu is more valuable than Tim, but I don't feel too outraged at people suggesting it. Manu has certainly made a case for himself.
Come on Shoog... you know better than to say this? I mean, name another player that would bring what Manu brings, in the same amount of minutes, who wouldn't take a hit if he was required to come off the bench... just name one? By the way, given that we are talking about the NBA, and salary is an issue, you should also keep the list down to those in Manu's salary range. Same case scenario with Parker.There are several other players in the league who could be inserted for Ginobili, Parker, or Bowen and the Spurs wouldn't miss a beat.
Have you even seen a game this season??Duncan MVP
Tony Parker 2nd
Bowen third
Manu 4th
There is a huge drop off after Parker goes out.
Bowen is 1st team all defense, but manu is not 1st team, all offense.
Mo Williams
Please explain how Tony>Manu this season.
For the season it's definitely Manu, but in general, this will always be TD's team
Tim Duncan is the best player on the Spurs and the foundation of its success, but I don't view him as the leader of the Spurs. First off, if anyone is the leader of the Spurs, it's Pop. If you were to name a player, it's Manu. That's part of his value, his leadership, his selflessness, his sacrifice, his at ude.
How in the can Mo replace Manu? He plays more minutes on a team that needs him to play those minutes because of lack of talent, and he still puts up less than Manu.
Of course, he also can't play heavy minutes, which is a major reason why he needs to be on the bench. And people continually underestimate how much Manu needs to have Duncan on the floor to take defensive pressure off of him.
You really believe the Spurs couldn't be as good as they are if they had LeBron or Kobe at the 2/3 playing 37 minutes a game?
Yea, and take away Manu and you also lose the 2005 and 2007 championships, that's a two way street. And as for as 2005 and 2008 goes, yes Manu is the MVP.
No joke.Mo Williams
If it was just about stats (which Manu bests Mo in virtually every category across the board - in 6 less mpg) the we could replace Tim with KG as well.
If you are going to compare him to Kobe or Lebron, then Ok, they could replace him, but we have some dingbat claiming Mo Willaims which instantly makes anything else he posts lose all credibility
Sorry, last time I checked "same amount of minutes" and "salary range" have nothing to do with MVP designation. If you're going to add those, then yeah, Manu has no compe ion.
To me there's no doubt that only this season Manu has been the leader of the team, but overall Tim is soul of the team. Manu has hit game winners, score 40+, taken over games, what else does he has to do to be the MVP of the team?
This is going to turn into yet another Parker vs. Manu thread...
As for the question, MVP=Most Valuable Player. Ginobili is a very, very valuable player to the Spurs. So is Parker. Their value to the Spurs can be felt any time either of them gets injured. Together, they are arguably the league's best backcourt. However, THE most valuable player on this team is Duncan. Ginobili can put up all these numbers and so can Parker, but if you take away Duncan, this team isn't a serious playoff contender. Duncan is this team's foundation.
I believe Kobe and LeBron are probably the only 2 players in the league that could approach what Manu does for us. Although, my argument is that they couldn't/wouldn't do what Manu does which is:
1) Play less minutes and stay insanely efficient.
2) Come off the bench.
3) Play for what Manu is being paid to keep our team intact.
Sure, our team would be better with Kobe/Lebron but we definitely couldn't keep the same role players we have now. There's no one I can think of that you could just "plug in" to replace Manu without blowing up the roster.
Manu winning MVP for this season would be like Parker winning Finals MVP last year. I couldn't fault the choice but this thing still revolves around Duncan. It's pretty ridiculous that he keeps getting overlooked... Manu is the Pierce to Duncan's KG. And yet the Big Ticket seems to have top 2 or 3 locked up.
There is only one irreplacable part on the Spurs, and he wears #21.
Pierce is another good addition to list of someone who could be switched out for Manu.
Most people who don't understand basketball fail to realize that basketball is not all about scoring. Sure, it's the most talked-about stat, but it's only one of many important aspects of the game. And yes, Ginobili has a slight edge in scoring over Duncan at the moment. Slight.
But right up there with scoring is a thing called rebounding. Do you know what that is? Guess who leads the Spurs by a long shot in rebounding? It's not Ginobili.
Another important aspect of the game is defense, especially protecting the rim. Guess who's the best Spur at defending the rim, by a long shot? Again, it's not Ginobili.
Now, I love Manu. He's my second favorite player in the game. And he is CRUCIAL to the Spurs' success this year and every year. But that being said, I never make the mistake of forgetting that basketball is a game of big men, and the Spurs are built around one of the top 10 big men to ever play the game. He is their MVP this year, and every year he's been on the team.
You doubt the importance of a dominant big man? Look at the Lakers' last night. Despite Kobe's 50+ points, they lost at home to the Grizzlies! Because they had no Gasol and no Bynum. You take Duncan off the Spurs, sure, Manu might average 29pts a game, but they wouldn't make the playoffs this year, and they definitely wouldn't be contending for a 5th Championship.
Just ask George Gervin how many Championships he won without a dominant big man.
Good Answer.
I do believe he still is too. However, can you seriously tell me Manu hasn't carried the Spurs this season as much as Duncan? I do think this season has been Tim's and Manu's not just Tim anymore.
There is only one irreplacable part on the Spurs, and he wears #21.
And you think this team seriously contends for a championship without Manu? Seriously??
You can say the same thing with Manu, Tony and Bruce.
Yes, there's no doubt that TD is the team's foundation, if you take out Tim from the lineup probably the Spurs are garbage, but the discussion here is this year's MVP. Tim has had up and downs while Manu has been consistent all year long.
Well Ginobili has carried the Spurs a lot this season alongside Tim, and at times, he has carried us by himself rather than Tim. But that doesn't make him MVP.
you know duncan is replaceable to
spur fans said no one would replace david robinson (who is my favorite spur player ever)
then came along Mr Tim Duncan
there will be another player close if not better player on the spurs then Mr Tim Duncan
no offense to duncan
all players are replaceble
you just can not replace them with knick players
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