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  1. #26
    A neverending cycle Trainwreck2100's Avatar
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    Hmm... sounds like Tony Parker. Good for his speed/driving ability, but cant shoot, cant defend, average passer at best, too small to hustle, etc...
    Spurs dont really need him to do all that , cept the shooting, which has improved over the years.

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    Spurs dont really need him to do all that , cept the shooting, which has improved over the years.
    oh, and dont forget defense. that could help some too. and passing, since he is a point guard.

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    At Mav Fans. Sensitive much? I'm calling it like I see it. Blame Avery, Dirk, Kidd etc all you want, but when your role players don't know their roles and continuously don't show up in big moments or do the little things to help the team win, ur bound to keep losing.

    Case 1:
    After the Kidd trade, in the game vs. San Antonio. .35 sec left, Mavs have the ball, Avery takes out Kidd (which of course was a mistake), but instead they do a pick and role..Terry attempts to go one on one and shoot a fadeaway jump shot behind the foul line (which I believe was partially blocked) and misses. Meanwhile, Stack is standing wide open at the 3 point line. Wrong play at the Wrong moment.

    Case 2:
    Next game against the Spurs. Spurs lose Dirk, however, are still in the game in the 3rd or 4th quarter I believe. They're starting to get the momentum back after the Spurs go on an 18-0 run to take the lead. Stack loses his cool, commits a bad and cheap shot at Ginobili, gets a technical foul, Ginobili goes on a tear after he gets mad by the Stackhouse play, scores the Spurs next 5 points, momemtum and game back on the Spurs side. Wrong play at the wrong moment.

    These are just 2 examples I saw against the Spurs. You know in close games as they usually are in the playoffs, it's little things and little details to execution that often make or break a team. Guys like Stackhouse and Terry often don't pay attention to little details like that.


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    oh, and dont forget defense. that could help some too. and passing, since he is a point guard.

    How many assists did Terry and Harris average for the Mavs? How many Finals MVP's did they win?

  5. #30
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    Bottomline, Terry and Stackhouse have consistently failed. Their time is up. We need new blood. Build around Kidd, Dirk, Bass and Howard for another year. I really believe they are so better off tanking this year and saving that draft pick. I do want Avery gone also. Next year would look so much more promising.

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    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    At Mav Fans. Sensitive much? I'm calling it like I see it. Blame Avery, Dirk, Kidd etc all you want, but when your role players don't know their roles and continuously don't show up in big moments or do the little things to help the team win, ur bound to keep losing.

    Case 1:
    After the Kidd trade, in the game vs. San Antonio. .35 sec left, Mavs have the ball, Avery takes out Kidd (which of course was a mistake), but instead they do a pick and role..Terry attempts to go one on one and shoot a fadeaway jump shot behind the foul line (which I believe was partially blocked) and misses. Meanwhile, Stack is standing wide open at the 3 point line. Wrong play at the Wrong moment.

    Case 2:
    Next game against the Spurs. Spurs lose Dirk, however, are still in the game in the 3rd or 4th quarter I believe. They're starting to get the momentum back after the Spurs go on an 18-0 run to take the lead. Stack loses his cool, commits a bad and cheap shot at Ginobili, gets a technical foul, Ginobili goes on a tear after he gets mad by the Stackhouse play, scores the Spurs next 5 points, momemtum and game back on the Spurs side. Wrong play at the wrong moment.

    These are just 2 examples I saw against the Spurs. You know in close games as they usually are in the playoffs, it's little things and little details to execution that often make or break a team. Guys like Stackhouse and Terry often don't pay attention to little details like that.

    Case 3:

    Overtime of game 7 of the 2006 WCSF. Stackhouse hits a couple jumpers and Tim Duncan gets bent over & raped by Diop.

    You're right, Stackhouse never comes through in close playoff games. And the Spurs always do.

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    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    Bottomline, Terry and Stackhouse have consistently failed.
    This season, yes they have. Their time in Dallas has definitely run it's course.

    But let's not forget that those guys DID make some huge plays for us.

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    Stretch it is all good brother. The Mavs are going to run the table once Dirk returns. They will beat the Spurs round 1 and go onto win the 2008 le. Relax bro these guys are champions and they are going to prove it over the next couple of months. Doom and gloom wont be the theme of the Mavs much longer. Im being patient but I have so much faith in this team that I just KNOW deep down inside they are going to shock the world when it is least expected.

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    Case 3:

    Tim Duncan gets bent over & raped by Diop.

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    Guess we dont have to worry about that anymore, huh? Well, you still got Damp, and he's raped the Mavs for years.

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    actually, i havent heard any excuses for this team despite dirks absence. they are still losing games that they should be winning.

    and if they are playing this badly without Dirk, it shows just how awesome of a player that Dirk really is, and should earn him some more respect. it also proves that it was his teammates the past several years that let the team down, far more than Dirk ever did. these guys (except for once in a while Terry and Stack) can never seem to deliver when the team needs it most. their only chance at anyone making big shots these days is for Dirk to find a way to shed a double team, or to hit a crazy 3 over like three guys, because no one else will hit anything, even despite him drawing the double team and finding the open man.

    The abysmal regression of Josh Howard HAS to be partly to blame for this. He took 3 steps back this season.

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    How many assists did Terry and Harris average for the Mavs? How many Finals MVP's did they win?
    How many rings and Finals MVP's did Parker have handed to him on a silver platter from Tim Duncan?

    I don't care what any of you guys say, without Tim Duncan, Tony Parker is just an average point guard. No all-star selections. No 50% FG shooting. Just another PG. At least Terry and Stack have proven themselves to be good basketball players with horrible ass teams.

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    Stretch it is all good brother. The Mavs are going to run the table once Dirk returns. They will beat the Spurs round 1 and go onto win the 2008 le. Relax bro these guys are champions and they are going to prove it over the next couple of months. Doom and gloom wont be the theme of the Mavs much longer. Im being patient but I have so much faith in this team that I just KNOW deep down inside they are going to shock the world when it is least expected.
    haha, wouldn't that be an interesting 1st round matchup? I don't think anyone would have thought that they could be meeting in the first round.

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    Case 3:

    Overtime of game 7 of the 2006 WCSF. Stackhouse hits a couple jumpers and Tim Duncan gets bent over & raped by Diop.

    You're right, Stackhouse never comes through in close playoff games. And the Spurs always do.

    You're kidding me right? I look at that as completely different:

    Case 3B:
    Terry loses his cool in Game 5, with the Mavs having a 3-1 lead in the series, punches Finley, gets suspended for game 6, Spurs go on to win Game 5 as well as Game 6 and if not for a tacky and bad foul by Ginobili in the closing seconds of Game 7, Mavs fans would be singing a different tune.

    I love how Mavs fans continually look at the 2006 defeat of the Spurs in the Semi-Finals as their idea of a "championship" They didn't go on to win anything, they didn't completely dominate the Spurs in that series, it came down to one tiny possession in a Game 7 that could have gone either way, and they managed to collapse the following year as well.

    Where was Stackhouse and Terry in the GS series? Where were Stackhouse and Terry in the Heat series for games 3-6?

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    Stretch it is all good brother. The Mavs are going to run the table once Dirk returns. They will beat the Spurs round 1 and go onto win the 2008 le. Relax bro these guys are champions and they are going to prove it over the next couple of months. Doom and gloom wont be the theme of the Mavs much longer. Im being patient but I have so much faith in this team that I just KNOW deep down inside they are going to shock the world when it is least expected.

    Is this guy serious or just trying to be positive? Or is he on drugs? Dude, give it up. Time to admit this team is done. This team will not get better until parts are replaced. Period.

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    we rang stretch's Avatar
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    You're kidding me right? I look at that as completely different:

    Case 3B:
    Terry loses his cool in Game 5, with the Mavs having a 3-1 lead in the series, punches Finley, gets suspended for game 6, Spurs go on to win Game 5 as well as Game 6 and if not for a tacky and bad foul by Ginobili in the closing seconds of Game 7, Mavs fans would be singing a different tune.

    I love how Mavs fans continually look at the 2006 defeat of the Spurs in the Semi-Finals as their idea of a "championship" They didn't go on to win anything, they didn't completely dominate the Spurs in that series, it came down to one tiny possession in a Game 7 that could have gone either way, and they managed to collapse the following year as well.

    Where was Stackhouse and Terry in the GS series? Where were Stackhouse and Terry in the Heat series for games 3-6?
    Actually, Stack gave us some HUGE buckets in the Heat series, especially in game 6. In fact, he was the only one making plays aside from Dirk. He hit a couple very big 3's there toward the end for us.

    Seriously, you're the one getting over-sensitive on this subject. We all agreed with you that they haven't been huge for us when we needed them most, mainly this season. But since we didn't say that they are the two most garbage, POS players that the league has ever seen and that they deserve to be chopped and fed to the hungry, you get all butt-hurt and start talking out your ass.

    Most all spurs fans here would agree that those two guys in the past have had some big games and hit plenty of HUGE shots for us previously. They would also agree that they have sucked this year. So what is your problem?

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    As a fan looking in from the outside, I would have given Damp some more minutes.

    But look at it this way, we did not have Dirk or Stack, and the game IN golden state was still pretty close.

    I'm convinced that these mavericks are 1 solid penetrating guard away from a championship. A guard who can drive to the rim for an easy basket or get to the free throw line. Didn't Dywane Wade and Baron Davis give us a schooling on this?

    The thing is---Stackhouse is now our best penetrating guard. Yeah the senior citizen who just happens to play for the Dallas Mavericks.

    I love Jason Kidd, I really do. But whatever intangibles and distributing skills are just not good enough to cover up for what Devin Harris brought to this team.

    AJ might get fired because of general outrage we all know about. Or he might not, Cuban's shirt might have said it all.

    Either way, I think the Mavs still need to get that guard if they want to have a legitimate shot at Larry O'Brien.

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    Stretch it is all good brother. The Mavs are going to run the table once Dirk returns. They will beat the Spurs round 1 and go onto win the 2008 le. Relax bro these guys are champions and they are going to prove it over the next couple of months. Doom and gloom wont be the theme of the Mavs much longer. Im being patient but I have so much faith in this team that I just KNOW deep down inside they are going to shock the world when it is least expected.
    FWIW, April's Fools day is tomorrow.

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    As a fan looking in from the outside, I would have given Damp some more minutes.

    But look at it this way, we did not have Dirk or Stack, and the game IN golden state was still pretty close.

    I'm convinced that these mavericks are 1 solid penetrating guard away from a championship. A guard who can drive to the rim for an easy basket or get to the free throw line. Didn't Dywane Wade and Baron Davis give us a schooling on this?

    The thing is---Stackhouse is now our best penetrating guard. Yeah the senior citizen who just happens to play for the Dallas Mavericks.

    I love Jason Kidd, I really do. But whatever intangibles and distributing skills are just not good enough to cover up for what Devin Harris brought to this team.

    AJ might get fired because of general outrage we all know about. Or he might not, Cuban's shirt might have said it all.

    Either way, I think the Mavs still need to get that guard if they want to have a legitimate shot at Larry O'Brien.
    Yep we're one Devin Harris and Desagna Diop from winning a championship.

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    I love Jason Kidd, I really do. But whatever intangibles and distributing skills are just not good enough to cover up for what Devin Harris brought to this team.
    His intangibles and distributing skills are not being used because of Avery's terrible coaching, and love for a half-court, isolation offense. In that sort of system, it would be better to have Harris. But the fact is, to run those systems, you have to have a consistent post scorer, which we don't have. We need to have more motion, and have a more uptempo offense, that is still capable of running a half-court set efficiently, like we did the year we went to the finals.

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    Yep we're one Devin Harris and Desagna Diop from winning a championship.
    You're three years away from being a fan of another team.

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    His intangibles and distributing skills are not being used because of Avery's terrible coaching, and love for a half-court, isolation offense. In that sort of system, it would be better to have Harris. But the fact is, to run those systems, you have to have a consistent post scorer, which we don't have. We need to have more motion, and have a more uptempo offense, that is still capable of running a half-court set efficiently, like we did the year we went to the finals.
    The thing is, uptempo offense hasn't won since the Showtime Lakers. Are you sure you want to play Nellie ball again?

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