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    Honestly, if the school from the OP is a religious school the funding should be pulled and given back, just like any other.

    The government has no business subsidizing religion of any sort.

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    But hey, a the profit motive solves everything, right?

    How do you mean?

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    I mean that there are some things that have no "free-market" solutions.

    In this case in particular, the rush for money from a "head count" perspective ruined what had the potential to be a good school.

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    Oh, yeah.

    I actually had a conversation with the fired headmaster, as he works at the university I now attend. There was a lot more shady stuff going on such as double counting too.

    From my limited experience, it seems to me that there is no free market solution as it isn't a free market problem. The problem is that the family structure is what actually determines, to a large degree, how well a student does in school. It takes a real, often painful, commitment from the parents to truly have their children succeed.

    While the public school system is not ideal, it does provide a corridor, if properly managed by the parents, to have success in life. There are no guarantees, but there is more of an opportunity there than would be there were there no public education at all.

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    From my limited experience, it seems to me that there is no free market solution as it isn't a free market problem. The problem is that the family structure is what actually determines, to a large degree, how well a student does in school. It takes a real, often painful, commitment from the parents to truly have their children succeed.

    While the public school system is not ideal, it does provide a corridor, if properly managed by the parents, to have success in life. There are no guarantees, but there is more of an opportunity there than would be there were there no public education at all.
    Our culture straddles the line between hedonism and nihilism. Why would something like education matter? Who cares how your kids turn out? If they suffer for it, and I choose not to care, what difference does it make? How does that affect my own pleasure? I can just use the money I would have spent for their college on myself, which is better anyway.

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    The hedonist/nihilist viewpoint is useful for understanding many issues including this one. To wit:

    1) American values don't matter
    2) The future doesn't matter
    3) Muslims might hurt me if I criticize or challenge them

    So, why not let them have their own madrassa?

    On the other hand,

    4) If the school loses its subsidy, maybe my taxes will go down, or the government will spend it for something I want

    So, maybe it is worth fighting this.

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    Extra Stout, where are you coming from? I am not sure I am following the relevance of your post in connection to the part you quoted from me.

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    Our culture straddles the line between hedonism and nihilism. Why would something like education matter? Who cares how your kids turn out? If they suffer for it, and I choose not to care, what difference does it make? How does that affect my own pleasure? I can just use the money I would have spent for their college on myself, which is better anyway.
    The Liber ian viewpoint in a nuts .

    Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

    We have no vested interest in each other, and every person's actions magically have no effect on anybody else's...

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