Lebron's team won 50 games last year, but they gave it to Dirk instead. Why shouldn't Kevin Garnett win it this year?
Why dont u do us a favor and check what place the Lakers were when Bynum got injured. You may be surprised that they were in 1st.
Btw...teammates inmprovement..i guess Paul doesnt make West and Chandler better? Making teamamtes better is the most overused crappiest cliche in teh NBA.
KG getting MVP this year I wouldn't mind at all...he deserves it.
The only thing hurting him is Paul Pierce is also an MVP candidate.
Since it's the number one thing people say when making a case for Kobe, I guess we're in agreement.
Pierce put up MVP numbers a couple of years ago, too.
Seriously, there really isn't a Steve Nash among the candidates this year that absolutely doesn't deserve MVP. If Kobe gets it, it might be a lifetime achievement award. So what? It isn't the first time that's happened. Kobe should probably have at least one by now. Some great players didn't win enough MVPs in their careers. Someday we'll all look back and wonder how Lebron James didn't win it.
Kobe gets the 7th seed and he dont make the teamates better.
Kobe gets #1 seed and he doesnt make his teamates better.
I guess we're in agreement that in your eyes he will never make his teamates better.
Hollinger is absolutely right, he based his oppinions on stats and facts, not nut licking or biasness like some dumb sportwritters like jemele hill, who wanted kobe dearly to rape her. There's a reason why kobe never won the mvp, and it's simply he's not good enough, he cant carry his team without shaq, he don't make his team mates better, and he get compared to Jordan lol.
Kobe can't carry his team? What??? Did you even look at the standings?
Western Conference 2008
#1 Kobe Bryant - Lakers
#2 Chris Paul - Hornets
#3 Tim Duncan - Spurs
#4 DWill - Jazz
#5 TMac - Rockets
#6 ShaqFu - Suns
#7 Dirk - Mavs
#8 AI - Nuggets
Step away from the Haterade
and check out what happened the years shaq was gone, kobe made his team worst by ballhogging all the time, his 81 points was a fluke because he shot everytime he got the ball, that's not an indication of greatness, it just shows he's a selfish player who wouldnt make his team mates better, look what happen this season, his scoring is down, but the lakers are better because he has someone to share the ball to, i am just saying he is way overated because he was basically expected to go 1 on 5 everytime the previous seasons, and he don't have the vision to find open team mates that sums up kobe's game nicely, he's also not as clutch a shooter as you may think, he had never had a clutch playoff shot ever.Kobe can't carry his team? What??? Did you even look at the standings?
Western Conference 2008
#1 Kobe Bryant - Lakers
#2 Chris Paul - Hornets
#3 Tim Duncan - Spurs
#4 DWill - Jazz
#5 TMac - Rockets
#6 ShaqFu - Suns
#7 Dirk - Mavs
#8 AI - Nuggets
Step away from the Haterade
Just to clarify for you: Kobe doesn't get the seventh or the first seed, the team does. According to most of the Lakers fans around here, when the team sucks it's because Kobe's teammates are trash. Many instances of that very argument can be found in this thread.
I have no problem saying he makes his teammates better if he actually does it, but I'm only slightly less likely to credit Kobe for the improvement of the Lakers than I am to credit Paul Pierce for the improvement of the Celtics. If Kobe could be credited with developing young players like Farmar and Bynum, then we could talk. If Kobe could be credited with replacing Smush with Fish or for replacing Kwame with Pau then we could talk. If Kobe could be credited for rehabbing Vlad from his snowboarding injury then we could talk. Giving him credit for making the team better when the team consists of better players is ludicrous.
I guess it's Caron Butler or Frank Hamblin's fault the Lakers finished up the first season without Shaq a scintillating 2-19. If not for Kobe's leadership, they might have gone 0-21. Psst. The Lakers had a better winning percentage without him, and Pau Gasol's team made the playoffs that year. Speaking of Pau, one might make the argument that he's kind of a step up from Kwame Brown, and helped make up for the loss of Bynum. But don't tell the MVP voters that.
If you want to make an argument for Kobe, at least make the "best player on the best team" argument. The west has been tight all year, and the Lakers are at the top of it. Kobe deserves consideration for that. At least that argument isn't a joke.
Lebron is bad, really bad, he barely can maintain over .500 IN THE EAST, which is bad, he is super overrated, and will not win a championship.
Paul for MVP, but kobe is WET
I agree.
Nice post.
I can see your POV, and to an outsider looking in at the Lakers it's probably the assessment I would make. Something I've learned watching the Lakers the last 3 years is that you can't make lemonade out of dog . When the talent just isn't there, there is nothing you can do as an individual player to change that situation.
The reason the Lakers are better this year is a combination of the talent upgrade they received as well as Kobe adapting his game to play the role of a facilitator. It's not simply one or the other, it's both. You give Kobe talent to play with, he takes them to the next level.
81 points is a fluke? The Lakers were down against the Raptors in the 3rd quarter...most of those points were needed for the win until later in the 4th when the game was decided.
Kobe has made plenty of clutch shots in his career...most with Shaq, some with the Post Shaq Lakers. Not so much these days because there aren't very many close games anymore.
Most people would agree, with the game on the line, you give the Ball to Kobe over anybody else, that's no fluke
Kobe had a crap team that he took the Playoffs, nobody expected them to win anything but he never gave up during the season.
Kobe, "Hmm, should I take the shot or should I pass it to a wide open Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton? Hmm, that's a hard question".
But of course Laker fans and everybody is wrong because everybody says Kobe's the best player in the NBA and the haters are right....Kobe's had 5-6 All Star players all along, he was just selfish.
Last edited by Allanon; 04-15-2008 at 07:40 PM.
How do you define or qualify whether or not a player makes his teammates better? Are we there at team practices and locker rooms and buses? Can you say without a doubt that Kobe doesn't make his teammates better? When you watch the Lakers, Kobe is always in the ears of his teammates telling them what they need to know or advising them and sometimes yelling at them. And, making teammates better isn't always a tangible, quantifiable thing. Kobe actually probably made Andrew Bynum better by his harsh and public criticisms, as it served as motivation. Also, Kobe's work ethic is well do ented and serves as a standard his teammates should follow. Several of Kobe's teammates have said he's been a very good leader and has helped them become better players. To say he's made his teammates better is not a joke. It's not just about getting more assists or being well liked. There are other not so tangible ways a player can help make his teammates become better.
he expect to go 1 on 5 because he is essentially playing 1 on 5 when his crappy teammates cant hit shots to save their lives. I thought the #1 priority in basketball is winning, NOT making your teammates better. and in this case, kobe hogging the ball is the strategy that gives the lakers the best chance at winning ball game.
and here is da clutch shots u are looking for:
LOL...are u joking? Have you just started watching the NBA this year? Sheesh...i can remember 2 for sure.
Suns 2 yrs ago and the Pistons game 2 finals.
wasnt he the jackass who wanted a trade early in the season
Allow me to distance myself from your comments...
He's a very good passer, he's extraordinarily clutch, and he's got a ton of big playoff moments. Granted it was when he was surrounded by good players and smart veterans, but it's still ridiculous to make statements about him that are patently untrue.
Kobe can be as good a scorer as I've ever seen, and that's a tough statement to make considering I watched Jordan for his whole career. Kobe's game is almost always on, which is more than you can say for 99 percent of the NBA, and he's probably the best three point shooter in the league but rarely gets credit for it. He should always be in the discussion for MVP, and it wouldn't be a travesty if he won it this year. I simply think that Lakers fans and Kobe lovers are making a flawed argument for MVP by suggesting that he's done something drastically different this season just because he now has teammates that can help him carry the team forward.
ok bandwagoner, i have watched the jordan era where they won 3 championsips from 96-98, and the shaq era where the lakers won 3, and i can tell you that the bulls were not as dominant as were the lakers, the compe ion was much tougher back then, jordan singlehandedly won them the game in 98 with pippen down with a back injury and he's the most clutch shooter i have ever seen, and the fact that he drop over 50% of his shots alot on jumpers and contested tells you that he's a much better shooter then kobe, the fact that he hit game winners on so many different occasion and carried the team on his back tells you he's mentally tougher then kobe, and the fact that shaq was the mvp in all 3 of lakers championship because kobe can't do without a dominant player like shaq scoring 26 ppg inside tells you that it's foolish trying to compare the both.
Last edited by spurms; 04-16-2008 at 05:49 AM.
That's why they lost both series lmao.
And the rockets would not get a sniff at a championsip if jordan had not retired.
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