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Who was that little freshman I did lines off of?
Hey Bob remember when you came to my high school last year? That was awesome man, thanks alot.
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Yes. Yes I do.
Who was that little freshman I did lines off of?
Uh Lamar Odom has never been an all star.
And what did Kobe say wrong? Kwame Brown and Smush Parker are on two of the worst teams in the league and don't get any playing time. Why persecute a guy for stating facts?
So you say those guys sucked before they got there and I refute it. Well. Then you make the same argument? I don't get it? I guess it was Nash getting Diaw all those assists and rebounds.
Those MVP's were a joke. Let's hook a terrible at defense pg up with MVP for doing things that plenty of pg's had done before, but with absolutely no MVP consideration, much less actually winning it.
And I don't get this Kobe hate? I didn't even think about it. Everyone talks about Kwame. And Smush Parker- didn't his own team ban him from their facilities this season. I don't see the difference between Kobes opinion, the facts and the national consensus about those two.
Eh...thus far, the Lakers have had exactly zero playoff series wins since they went with Kobe as "the man".I knew the haters would have a ball with this. Listen, what Kobe said was exactly true. He did not ridicule those players, he just said that now he has better players and any idiot could see that he does!
I'm so sick of the Nash makes his players better, blah, blah, blah, wgaf! Nash doesn't bring les to his teams so they can't be that much better. WGAF about regular season accomplishments? The Lakers certainly don't. I bet Phoenix hang their division flags like they've done something. The lakers had to rent a storage space to store those things.
It don't mean a thing, it you don't have a ring!
Yeah, a lot of those players did suck before Nash.
If you really think Nash's MVP(s) were a joke, then thats your opinion. I don't really care.
Not politically correct, but I do agree with Kobe.
Kwame and Smush =
They've had playoff wins, just not playoff series wins. And, they weren't favored in the series either time.
In 3 years Kobe hasn't won a ring.without one all star on his team but he has made it to the playoffs regardless. Nash hasn't won a le in 20 (or however long he's been in the league) with at least 2 allstars on every team he's been on. So what's your point?
Wait a second, you just said that Nash doesn't bring les to Phoenix so he can't make them THAT much better.In 3 years Kobe hasn't won a ring.
But Kobe can't even win a playoff series, let alone a le. In fact, he couldn't even make the playoffs in 05!
The Lakers have had exactly 0 playoff series wins since Shaq left because their teams have sucked royal donkey . In fact, I'll take it once step further.....none of those teams belonged in the playoffs. It took a superhuman effort from Kobe in '07 just to get them there.
Kobe gets reamed for trying to make lemonade out of dog . There is nothing you can do when your teammates just don't have talent, Kwame and Smush are prime examples. They can't get playing time on the WORST TEAMS IN THE NBA, and they started on the Lakers. No MVP candidate in the last 5 years has had to deal with that.
Kobe had no Allstars until now and was part of a major overhaul of the lakers. Bad coach and players. He had players like Cook, Smush and Kwame as his help. Nash has had all stars everywhere he's played. No excuse for not winning at least one le unless youre overrated. Which Nash is~
Derek Fisher is the same point guard the Lakers had when they won three les, IIRC.
Why is it that without Bynum and Gasol, the Lakers have been mediocre at best? Whats his excuse for the rest of his current team?
Are they all "dog " too?
It's a matter of talent, you ain't taking an NBDL league out of the first round...it's possible but it's hard as . Nash has had talent around him.
Kobe's had Smush, Kwame and Luke for starters...wouldn't YOU be pissed?
Now that he has ONE other All-Star, look what he and the Lakers have done. Nash has had at least 2 other All Stars with him and 6th Man of the Year Barbosa but he has not even reached the Finals.
Nash has 3 All Stars
CP3 has 2 All Stars
KG has 2 All Stars
Detroit has several All Stars
Kobe has 1
It will be interesting to see what Kobe does with 1 All Star this year...but even then, the Haterade will probably still be free flowing.
Last edited by Allanon; 04-15-2008 at 04:58 PM.
Oh, and kobe was injured in 05
I like how Laker fans want to pretend the only players they had on their team were Smush and Kwame.
What about Odom? What about Caron Butler?
Radmanovic, Walton, Vujacic, Farmar, Turiaf and BYNUM were all on the team last year, weren't they?
Who cares about Smush and Kwame? What about all those guys?
Nash had freaking James Jones as a starter and Boris Diaw as a center and went all the way to the WCF in 2006. Didn't hear him complaining.
Odom lost his child and had a major shoulder injury...this is his first injury free year in ages. Caron Butler was traded. Post-Shaq they missed the Playoffs.What about Odom? What about Caron Butler?
Ramanovic was injured, then injured again when he went snowboardingRadmanovic, Walton, Vujacic, Farmar, Turiaf and BYNUM were all on the team last year, weren't they?
Walton is an OK bench player but should never be a starter
Vujacic was an "11AM" player, missed wide open shots during games
Farmar was an inconsistent rookie
Turiaf is a solid backup Center to Kwame friggin' Brown
Bynum was a kid who sneaked off during practice to eat Fruit Loops in the training room.
Uhmmm....they're your STARTERS. Sure, let's trade Smush and Kwame for Ray Allen and Paul Pierce? Or perhaps we can trade Kwame and Smush for Peja and David West?Who cares about Smush and Kwame?
James Jones > SmushNash had freaking James Jones as a starter and Boris Diaw as a center and went all the way to the WCF in 2006. Didn't hear him complaining.
Diaw > Kwame
All Star Matrix says Hi!
All star Butler says hi back.
And Kobe should tell Nash how hard it is to deal with teammates getting injured and how you should demand to be traded if that happens.
Traded.
Why wasn't he an all-star with Kobe?
Isn't Odom more talented than Marion?
It takes a few years for players to come into their own. During that time, he had potential but no consistency. As Butler matured, he became more consistent. He wasn't given a chance to mature before they shipped him out...bad trade but that was front office stuff. There was a joke back in Miami "the two Butlers (Caron/Rasual) fighting to see who was more irrelevant".
Why wasn't he an all-star with Kobe?
Isn't Odom more talented than Marion?
I don't know if Odom is more talented than Marion. They're both wildly talented and mismatches. Odom is the better locker room guy.
Odom was learning the triangle in the first year, 2nd year he lost his child...that's a very hard thing to overcome.
I agree (about his terrible loss), but this is actually Odoms fourth year on the Lakers.
My bad, 4th year. He's having a of a 4th year now that he's a 3rd option.
Lamar took a very long time to learn the triangle as his is one of the most difficult positions to learn ... I don't think he finally learned it until late last year.
I don't think Odom will ever be a good #2 option and that was the biggest flaw. Forcing an off the ball player to become the man.
Lamar Odom - Not a reliable #2 option. Never has or will be.
Caron Butler - Did not become an All-Star until he left LA. If you watched the Lakers you'd know he just wasn't a good fit in the triangle offense alongside Kobe.
Radmanovic - Was lost in the triangle his 1st year and injured his hand while snowboarding during the All-Star break. Never got into a rhythm.
Turiaf - Was a solid backup to Kwame, but still a little green and coming off heart surgery.
Vujacic - Did not make the jump from a good practice shooter to a gametime shooter until this year.
Bynum - Still just a 19 year old kid, way too raw to be effective. Didn't make a huge leap until this season.
Smush, Kwame, Walton - Do I have to say anymore about these 3?
Nash had a better supporting cast, even when Amare was injured. Don't see how you can argue against that unless you are a Celtics homer who hasn't really followed the Lakers much in the past three seasons yet continues to post like he knows something about the team.
Odom is finally healthy with the lakers and is paying dividends. He's been awfully hurt the last few seasons and timid as a result.
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