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    How about Mark Jackson's commentating. Every other play he was saying "Flop this" or "flop that" or "thats a flop, or "he did a good job seeling the flop." I am so tired of the flop talk. Selling fouls has been part of the game for a very long time, its nothing new, and everyone does it, it has just as much of a chance to work for you as it does against you, but people act like the Spurs have conjoured some sort of black magic voodoo spell with their "dirty flop tactics", its bull .

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    Amare said that? I can't believe it. Maybe there's hope for him after all.
    He's applying for a power forward position at the Spurs front office. He thinks he might be able to get a ring like that.

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    Um, no. Please don't make that comparison again.

    Amare may have great physical gifts and a sweet jumper, but he has nowhere near the basketball IQ, back to the basket game, defensive understanding, or passing a en of Tim, and nor will he ever have. Tim had those things before he came to the NBA.

    Amare will continue to be a great offensive player, but he will never control a game like Tim can, and even Pop couldn't change that.
    I disagree, good coaching can raise a player's BBall IQ

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    I'm pretty stunned that many people haven't realized what a (expletive) Shaq is until now. I thought it was obvious his entire career that he was a completely pathetic excuse for an NBA player.

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    How about Mark Jackson's commentating. Every other play he was saying "Flop this" or "flop that" or "thats a flop, or "he did a good job seeling the flop." I am so tired of the flop talk. Selling fouls has been part of the game for a very long time, its nothing new, and everyone does it, it has just as much of a chance to work for you as it does against you, but people act like the Spurs have conjoured some sort of black magic voodoo spell with their "dirty flop tactics", its bull .
    I couldn't stand Mark Jackson in that game, every call was anti-Suns. The only decent thing about that broadcast team was Van Gundy actually calling it like it was to at least show some unbias...

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    When Michael Cooper or John Stockton or Scottie Pippen used to sell fouls to get the call it was a wiley veteran defensive move.

    When a bunch of foreigners do it on the Spurs it become disgraceful flopping.

    you media.




    On another note it's great to see the Spurs are already balls deep into Shaq mentally.

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    How about Mark Jackson's commentating. Every other play he was saying "Flop this" or "flop that" or "thats a flop, or "he did a good job seeling the flop." I am so tired of the flop talk. Selling fouls has been part of the game for a very long time, its nothing new, and everyone does it, it has just as much of a chance to work for you as it does against you, but people act like the Spurs have conjoured some sort of black magic voodoo spell with their "dirty flop tactics", its bull .
    +1

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    Put it this way - if you were such a fatass that you couldn't move on offense or defense and you're only effectiveness came from playing THROUGH people - wouldn't you try to get the refs on your side by calling the other team floppers?

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    How about Mark Jackson's commentating. Every other play he was saying "Flop this" or "flop that" or "thats a flop, or "he did a good job seeling the flop." I am so tired of the flop talk. Selling fouls has been part of the game for a very long time, its nothing new, and everyone does it, it has just as much of a chance to work for you as it does against you, but people act like the Spurs have conjoured some sort of black magic voodoo spell with their "dirty flop tactics", its bull .
    I commented about this in the game thead, him and Green where calling flops all the time. And funny was numerous times Jeff would correct them after the replay and they would go "ohhhhh it was a foul... ahhhhh ehhhhh uuuhggghh"

    They were really suns' homerish that date - hope i don't have to listen to the flopping talk again but it's too much to ask

    After all, about the time mark jackson was in the league is when the NBA turned to be a game of whinny pussies. 10 years before no one would have even dared to talk about flopping so much.

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    Shaq is actually being very smart here. You guys are right, he's older and slower and can't use his power game as effectively anymore. If the refs call it fairly he can't be effective, so he's calling them out now to try and get some leeway for Game 2.

    When Shaq is not hampered by foul trouble he can play acceptable defense against Duncan. There is no denying that. For PHX that might be all they need IF they can keep Parker and Ginobli at bay.

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    How about Mark Jackson's commentating. Every other play he was saying "Flop this" or "flop that" or "thats a flop, or "he did a good job seeling the flop." I am so tired of the flop talk. Selling fouls has been part of the game for a very long time, its nothing new, and everyone does it, it has just as much of a chance to work for you as it does against you, but people act like the Spurs have conjoured some sort of black magic voodoo spell with their "dirty flop tactics", its bull .
    if it look like a fish out of water, and smells like fish out of water, its probably a fish, flopping around, out of the water.....

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    I think it was Shaq's 4th foul, when he bulldozed into Kurt Thomas with an elbow to the chin and almost snapped him in half right in front of the ref. Jackson immediately called it a foul, and when replayed showed it being an obvious offensive foul, Van Gundy made fun of Jackson and exposed him. It was absolutely hilarious.

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    The only foul I recall that Shaq has any right to complain about was the first one where he got an offensive board and went up strong to the hoop and knocked Oberto down. Shaq lowered his shoulder and Oberto fell at exactly the right time from what was actually minimal contact. In real time it looked like Shaq was out of control and ploughed into Oberto. It's really hard to suggest that isn't a smart basketball play no matter what you do. Oberto can't play Shaq straight up, so he has to be creative. He gets burned for those about as often as he gets the call. That one was perfectly timed.

    And Shaq already had that one under his belt when he decided to try to draw a charge standing under the basket a minute or so later. That was just stupid and isn't anyone's fault but his own.

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    WHAT are you guys opinion on Mcdonald this season?

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    He is improving, his english is better than mine

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    A question for the people that live in the United States: Since when the word "flop" is so used in the NBA? Was it used so often when Jordan and the bulls were winning championships? 'cause I remember that Pippen was really good at drawing offensive fouls but I never heard the word flop back then. Actually the first time i heard the word "flop" was in 2005
    I believe Vlade Divac's theatrics helped introduce the term flop sometime around the turn of the millenium.

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    Shaq wants to be immortal. He will be a HOF someday. He is a winner. But he's also a sore loser. He said that to Theo Ratliff once, when he was a newcomer in Miami. Nothing new.

    ShaQ doesn't want to lose to Tim Duncan. And Tim Duncan is tired of losing to ShaQ too(remember, Duncan's "I'm tired of that freakin' question" about the Lakers? ) They hate losing to each other.

    This is still a battle of the NBA's top dogs. Let's see if Shaq can counter TD's monster performance of game 1 in the next few games or two. I expect a better ShaQ in game 2.

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    OH ! Amare's a SKRULL!

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