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That's right. And you need to remember these things when Hillary steals the nomination. You don't have to out your vote if she becomes the nominee.
I'd say, still, vote for Obama.
BTW how race and feminist become an issue in this candidacy?
That's right. And you need to remember these things when Hillary steals the nomination. You don't have to out your vote if she becomes the nominee.
I'd say, still, vote for Obama.
That's right. And when Obama is in the general election, you remember what a lying manipulating cheat he is. You don't have to give him your vote.
Obama campaigns the same hillary does and he is for change. Hillary campaigns the way obama does and she is bringing down the party...
you obama guys never cease to amaze me. the same people who call those on the right dumb, stupid, naive are guilty of being dumb, stupid, and naive..3
yeah, vote for the guy that emboldens iran even more.
That's right.
If you support Clinton, how can you vote for Obama at all if he is the D-nominee? He will only further embolden Iran.
From National Review Online (Campaign Spot):
If the exit polls are accurate, Hillary's carrying 61 percent of seniors, 55 percent of women, 58 percent of union members, 57 percent ... she ought to be on course for a pretty solid win, much better than the 4 percent on Drudge or trailing, as my source's numbers indicated...
Independents who registered for the Democratic primary split 50-50.
Hillary carrying churchgoers, 59 to 41 percent. If that holds, I could see Obama feeling a little bitter over that.
UPDATE: I know this will shock you, but McCain won the GOP primary.
ANOTHER UPDATE: Bloomberg says one in 10 voters said they switched party registration to vote in the Democratic primary. http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/...82/detail.html reports a significant uptick in the number of registered Democrats in Westmoreland Co. (near Pittsburgh) over last Nov. I'm not sure how anyone will know how many of these newly registered are actual Democrats, and how many are Republicans. I know that if I were a Pa. resident, I would have switched parties to vote for Hillary (just this once).
I feel the tide is indeed turning and right now I'll give the edge to Hillary. I still support and feel Obama would be better for the Country but the data coming out of PA is that there are not enough democrats that feel the same way. The questions looming over Obama's head are getting louder and the fact that so many Hillary supporters will not support Obama in the general election spells doom and I feel the super delegates will not let that happen.
But don't let that stop you from voting for your man!
Clinton is a lying, manipulative bee-yotch. You need to vote for who you think would be best. And that means Obama.
"emboldening Iran" is an already "mission accomplished"
Doomed meaing he will not win the Democratic Nomination? Or the Presidency?
Regardless of who wins the D-nomination, it won't be on the strength of committed delegates or popular vote. This thing is going to the convention and the nominee will be selected by the Super-delegates.
I can't wait to see what the losing team does when their candidate gets shafted. I pray for the good people of Denver when THAT riot breaks out.
the goal of OC is have McCain win. Rush is doing this to HELP McCain.
- Mars
"good people of Denver when THAT riot breaks out."
there will be not riot. The Dems will destroy themselves as quietly as they will incompetently lose to McFlopPander.
Clinton's Win in Pennsylvania Leaves Obama Battered, Party Reeling
By David Lightman
McClatchy Newspapers
Tuesday 22 April 2008
Washington - Hillary Clinton's Pennsylvania victory means that the Democratic Party's eventual nominee will be badly bruised and could have a tough time rallying the party in the fall.
Clinton on Tuesday once again failed to do well among young and African-American voters, who are growing increasingly alienated from the New York senator. She won with some harsh tactics - too harsh for a lot of Barack Obama supporters.
Obama, on the other hand, stumbled badly. He outspent Clinton by an estimated 3 to 1. He had six weeks since the last primary to ingratiate himself with people he's had a hard time wooing: blue-collar whites, small-town residents and older women. Instead, he once again lost the white vote handily and couldn't put his opponent away.
The momentum that seemed so strong in February, when Obama won 11 contests in a row and seemed on the verge of knocking Clinton out of the race, was all but gone Tuesday.
Also gone, or at least fading, was the feeling among Democratic voters on both sides that either candidate ultimately would be acceptable.
While Democrats remain angry over the Iraq war, the economy and President Bush, they've grown less inclined to accept their favorite candidate's Democratic opponent as a prospective president.
The deepening Clinton-Obama schism became more pronounced after last Wednesday's Philadelphia debate.
Obama backers insisted that their man was treated unfairly when the Illinois senator was asked about his relationship with his former pastor and '60s-era radical Willliam Ayers. They argued that Obama did the right thing by staying gentle in his explanations.
Clinton folks saw the performance differently. They were disturbed that Obama didn't put more distance between himself and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who has suggested that past U.S. actions were partly responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and that the HIV virus was a government plot against people of color.
If Obama gets the nomination, lots of Clinton backers said, they'd give presumptive Republican nominee John McCain a look.
Obama backers said the same, should Clinton be the nominee.
"I love Obama," said Aimee Brace, a Williamsport housewife who switched her registration to Democrat. "He has a real down-to-earth way. If Clinton gets it, I don't know what I'd do. I'd be lost."
Democratic leaders sensed this increasing rupture between the Clinton and Obama camps, and in recent days they've pleaded with the superdelegates who control about 20 percent of the convention votes, and with them, the balance of power.
"I need them to say who they're for, starting now," party Chairman Howard Dean said of the superdelegates last week. "We've got to know who our nominee is."
The surest way to have gotten a quick decision would have been if Obama had won Pennsylvania. That would have instantly dispelled the notion that he lacks appeal in a big diverse state and restore the aura that made him a star in an array of states as different as Vermont, Minnesota, Virginia and Louisiana this winter.
By Wednesday, this thinking went, the media would have been declaring the race all but over and the superdelegates would have had a fresh reason to leap on the Obama bandwagon. He'd be officially anointed this generation's John F. Kennedy, ready to inspire the masses with his vision and vigor.
Instead, the verdict Wednesday will remain the same: Pennsylvania joins the roster of Clinton wins that stretches from Massachusetts and New Jersey on the East Coast to Texas and Ohio in the middle and California in the West.
But Clinton still can't break Obama's hold on black and young voters. He won 92 percent of the black vote, according to exit polls, and between 56 percent and 58 percent of voters under 45.
Similarly, however, Obama can't shake that a lot of whites are uncomfortable with a black as president, as exit polls showed him losing the white vote by 60-40 percent - a consistent trend in recent primaries. Yet Clinton's harsh campaign may be turning Obama's flaws into open wounds that prove difficult to heal by November.
And so, the party is left again in a stalemate without apparent end.
The campaigns now head for May 6 primaries in Indiana and North Carolina. North Carolina, where roughly 40 percent of the Democratic voters are black, is expected to be solid Obama territory, but Indiana promises to be less predictable.
The two camps will undoubtedly paint the state as a make-or-break affair, but it offers only 72 delegates. With 2,025 needed to nominate, Indiana's an unlikely game-changer.
So on a day when the Democratic race remains muddled, this much is clear: Obama remains the favorite for the nomination, but it's not a comfortable lead.
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With "her one-win momentum" I expect Hillary go as low as possible to destroy Obama, embarrassing and pissing off a lot of non-Repug Americans.
Damn the Dems are ed up. I'm not a Dem but I sure don't want old McFlopPanderBomber to win.
Ohio + Texas + Pennsylvania = 3 Wins (Big Wins)
...all the more important for the Super-delegates to make their decision now and not let this go to the convention....you want riots, usurp the will of the people...
since when do big states matter more than all states?Ohio + Texas + Pennsylvania = 3 Wins (Big Wins)
Despite all the M$M hype about Hillary's big win in Penn, the final result is that HIllary could walk away win a total of 11 more delegates, so that only puts here what? 143 behind!
What a bunch of gullible idiots...
Some "win"...Obama got more delegates.
After holding Hillary's win to a SINGLE digit win in Penn, Obama is only 138 pledged delegates away from the magic number of 1,627, which is 50%+1 of the pledged delegates.
1,627 is fifty percent plus one of the 3,253 democratically selected delegates to the Democratic nominating convention.
Once a candidate has 1,627 of these "pledged" delegates, he or she will win the nomination -- unless the 796 superdelegates overturn the judgment of voters.
And that's NOT going to happen.
Barack Obama is at 1,489 pledged delegates (he gained 73 out of PA according to CBS news)...
mostly due to the flawed caucus processes the great state of texas currently uses. you should see how ed up the caucus process is here. they don't make it easy to have your say without sticking around a crowded elementary school lunch room for over an hour before participating.
really?
I can see why the D-party implemented the Superdelegates in the first place. The last thing the party wants is for some of the far lefties to nominate someone too radical and unelectable, which is what happened in both 1968 and 72.
Second ... the higher-ups (e.g., Howard Dean) in the party know exactly that the D-party is in deep doodoo right now. They would much rather have had Obama (or Clinton) close this thing out weeks ago, and let the convention be an anointing. Since the race is so close, they know that this thing is going to drag out to the convention, which is amusing for me but I imagine Democrats don't like.
I can't wait for the crackup that will happen when/if Clinton swipes the nomination.
Do not put it past the Clintons!
Clinton may not end up winning, but as long as this is in doubt until the convention, Operation Chaos will be a total victory.
- Mars
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