Where's Manu?

[Kori Ellis]

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OK. so, let's say that if Tim was putting 15 ppg and 7 rpg, he wouldn't be sucking because compared to the average level of big men, these are good numbers

You can keep your rolling eyes to yourself. I'm comparing Manu to Manu's own numbers. Not to average level swingmen. So I'm not sure the point of this questions. So are you saying Manu sucked all year this year? Because this year he averaged about 19/5/4 and shot about 46% and for the playoffs he's averaging very similar numbers. So if he has "sucked for the whole playoffs" like you say, then I guess he's sucked all season. You can say his 3-pt percentage sucks in the playoffs, but his overall game hasn't sucked.

Our team is builted around three players. we need them to be great, which means 70 ppg combined at a good percentage. i don't know but were you saying that our team isn't well built before ? it's who we are, especially in the PO and this year more than ever.

I have no idea what you are talking about the team not being well built before, so I can't respond.

if each of our big three puts 18 ppg at 45 % and being TO prone, we'll lost.
tony is at 26 ppg and 52 % FG (and 7 apg). tim is at 21 ppg and 50 % FG (and 12 rpg).

we need a lot more from manu, a little more from tim ( in aggressiveness) and not less from tony. otherwise, we'll lose.

oh, and i could say, considering i'm talking about manu:

Even if i know he's one of the best player ever, even if i think that his numbers wouldn't be so bad for an average swingmen in an average team not competing for the le, even if i clearly know he's not the only reason of the losses we had on the PO, even if he had some good games, i still think, IMHO, that manu, that i love and respect a lot, should be able to give us a little more as he has always done when needed the most by the past and wasn't till now able to do in these PO.

allow me to say that he sucks instead.

So you think average swingmen average 20 and 7? Because that's what he's averaging this series.

I get it .. you want Manu to be superstar level. All of us do. But 20 and 7 is good ... not sucking.

[kace]

You can keep your rolling eyes to yourself. I'm comparing Manu to Manu's own numbers. Not to average level swingmen. So I'm not sure the point of this questions. So are you saying Manu sucked all year this year? Because this year he averaged about 19/5/4 and shot about 46% and for the playoffs he's averaging very similar numbers. So if he has "sucked for the whole playoffs" like you say, then I guess he's sucked all season. You can say his 3-pt percentage sucks in the playoffs, but his overall game hasn't sucked.

i think manu was great in the RS. he was our best player. but right now, he sucks.
he sucks because his stats are lower whereas they should be higher. we need more from our big three in PO. he also sucks because the best skill of manu is to be great when everything is turning bad for us. he never did that for us in these PO. everyone says that with manu, you take the bad (streaky performances, TO prone) with the good (outstanding games and clutch plays). it's true. and right now, we only have the bad mostly.

he also sucks because of all the things which don't appear in stats sheet and that you couldn't have missed: manu isn't simply manu right now.

but i, of course, understand what you mean. of course manu isn't so bad in these PO. he's just way below what we need from him. so, in spurs standards: he sucks

I have no idea what you are talking about the team not being well built before, so I can't respond.

sorry for my sometimes rough english.

I get it .. you want Manu to be superstar level. All of us do. But 20 and 7 is good ... not sucking.

not only i would like manu at a superstar level because it's simply great to see him at this level as a basketball fan, but we need him, as spurs fans, to be at a superstars level to win games, like tony and tim.

[Typhoon]

Manu is hurt, Manu is not Manu right now, and I know it sucks but it will probably be like that for the rest of the series, and even rest of the playoffs if Spurs manage to survive...rest of the players need to step up.

Sucks he had an amazing RS and getting hurt just before playoffs is indeed a .

[Kori Ellis]

Manu is hurt, Manu is not Manu right now, and I know it sucks but it will probably be like that for the rest of the series, and even rest of the playoffs if Spurs manage to survive...rest of the players need to step up.

Sucks he had an amazing RS and getting hurt just before playoffs is indeed a .

Actually Manu was hurt in the Suns series. He says he feels pretty good right now. Everyone is banged up; it's playoff time.

Both Manu and Tony need to cut down on their unforced errors, and the Spurs need to stay aggressive and keep the ball moving.

[timvp]

I don't get when Spurs fans fragment the Big Three when the Spurs lose a game. They are all interconnected. For example, if Ginobili had hit more outside jumpers, Parker would have gotten more space to penetrate the lane. If Duncan would have played well offensively, Ginobili would have gotten more open shots. If Parker would have pushed the pace more, Duncan would have gotten easier postup opportunities against a scrambling defense.

In this game specifically, it's pointless to figure out which member of the Big Three played the best. All three of them played pretty poorly. Looking at the different shades of suckiness to determine who was the best of the worst makes no sense.

The Spurs don't play in a vacuum. If one of the Big Three is sucking, things get much more difficult for the other two. It's going to take all three to play well in the next two games for the Spurs to have a shot.

[kace]

I don't get when Spurs fans fragment the Big Three when the Spurs lose a game. They are all interconnected. For example, if Ginobili had hit more outside jumpers, Parker would have gotten more space to penetrate the lane. If Duncan would have played well offensively, Ginobili would have gotten more open shots. If Parker would have pushed the pace more, Duncan would have gotten easier postup opportunities against a scrambling defense.

In this game specifically, it's pointless to figure out which member of the Big Three played the best. All three of them played pretty poorly. Looking at the different shades of suckiness to determine who was the best of the worst makes no sense.

The Spurs don't play in a vacuum. If one of the Big Three is sucking, things get much more difficult for the other two. It's going to take all three to play well in the next two games for the Spurs to have a shot.

you're definitely right. but we still can judge about individual performances, which was, i presume, the intention of the OP.

[ecksodia]

I don't get when Spurs fans fragment the Big Three when the Spurs lose a game. They are all interconnected. For example, if Ginobili had hit more outside jumpers, Parker would have gotten more space to penetrate the lane. If Duncan would have played well offensively, Ginobili would have gotten more open shots. If Parker would have pushed the pace more, Duncan would have gotten easier postup opportunities against a scrambling defense.

In this game specifically, it's pointless to figure out which member of the Big Three played the best. All three of them played pretty poorly. Looking at the different shades of suckiness to determine who was the best of the worst makes no sense.

The Spurs don't play in a vacuum. If one of the Big Three is sucking, things get much more difficult for the other two. It's going to take all three to play well in the next two games for the Spurs to have a shot.

WORD.

[ceds]

Forget his numbers...there has not been a game these playoffs where Manu has been our best player.

This season more then any other he has carried us..right now it doesnt seem like he has the juice

[Ginofan]

Man you people are full of .

You want Manu to carry you the entire season AND the entire playoffs? Get off his back. I seriously couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this thread...I thought Manu was the only one of the Big Three that gave any effort last night, and then I come here and see this....unreal!

This is a TEAM loss, it's on ALL of them, Jesus H Christ.

[bigdog]

The problem isn't Manu. It's the team. Sure, Manu seems to get under some pressure and jack up shots that he shouldn't take, but everyone is doing that. Pop needs to get Barry in the game much earlier. And when he puts Finley in, he should start running plays for him coming off screens to get him going, because if he doesn't get looks early, he'll never get on track and make shots.

Another thing that has pissed me off is the play of our big guys. Thomas, Horry, and Oberto get in foul trouble and then we have no one to replace them. I'd like to see Thomas play better. He just needs to make his shots. He's getting good looks. Horry just needs to call it quits. I like that fact that he's trying and playing hard, but he's not doing much besides working up a sweat. As for Fabio ingOberto, I've never liked the guy. He's soft as and can't catch a ball. Mahinmi anyone? It's about that time.

Also, what the is Pop doing by not putting in Jacque Vaughn? He's having matchup problems with Paul, so why doesn't he bring in JV when Tony needs a rest? I hate when he puts Manu at point and brings another wing in the game. It might be good for us offensively but defensively it's not working. JV is one of the best defenders in the league when it comes to guarding the PG, and he hasn't seen much action. Need an offensive spark? bring in Stoudamire. , since our other guys aren't making many wide open shots (and we are getting a TON of wide open shots), maybe Damon can come in a hit a few. Pop is pissing me off in this series. There's so many things that the Spurs can do that they just aren't doing.

But.........I have faith and we can win the series

[homer]

The problem isn't Manu. It's the team. Sure, Manu seems to get under some pressure and jack up shots that he shouldn't take, but everyone is doing that. Pop needs to get Barry in the game much earlier. And when he puts Finley in, he should start running plays for him coming off screens to get him going, because if he doesn't get looks early, he'll never get on track and make shots.

Another thing that has pissed me off is the play of our big guys. Thomas, Horry, and Oberto get in foul trouble and then we have no one to replace them. I'd like to see Thomas play better. He just needs to make his shots. He's getting good looks. Horry just needs to call it quits. I like that fact that he's trying and playing hard, but he's not doing much besides working up a sweat. As for Fabio ingOberto, I've never liked the guy. He's soft as and can't catch a ball. Mahinmi anyone? It's about that time.

Also, what the is Pop doing by not putting in Jacque Vaughn? He's having matchup problems with Paul, so why doesn't he bring in JV when Tony needs a rest? I hate when he puts Manu at point and brings another wing in the game. It might be good for us offensively but defensively it's not working. JV is one of the best defenders in the league when it comes to guarding the PG, and he hasn't seen much action. Need an offensive spark? bring in Stoudamire. , since our other guys aren't making many wide open shots (and we are getting a TON of wide open shots), maybe Damon can come in a hit a few. Pop is pissing me off in this series. There's so many things that the Spurs can do that they just aren't doing.

But.........I have faith and we can win the series

You must want us to lose even worse. Stoudimire is a dud and we go backwards every time he comes in. He still doesn't know our system.JV got very little offense but he does bring a little D and a lot of hustle. IMO, Manu at point is a much better decision and the right one. Damon will be lucky to be on the team next year regardless of his contract. Send him packing. I was always a fan of Damon before he got here and thought it was a good move to get him, but he is clearly not Spurs material.

[vanvannen]

I'm not bashing Manu, but I agree with the poster stating that he hasn't carried this team once in the playoffs.
He also hasn't have a game where he couldn't be stopped. He has to be that fearless player that just will not loose. The same goes for Tim.
Tony is playing alright IMO.

[FoxMulder]

I believe than the Spurs superstar were Duncan but if you want to blame an injured player for not to play 100% is really coward. Manu and Tony are doing his role each one but Duncan is a shadow of himself this series.

[sassystriker]

Get off Manu's back.

Game 6 and 7, God willing, Manu will be so huge. It's his time to carry the team. I claim that we'll get through this series. I've prayed for it.

[urunobili]

Get off Manu's back.

Game 6 and 7, God willing, Manu will be so huge. It's his time to carry the team. I claim that we'll get through this series. I've prayed for it.

[Argiebabe]

Pleeeze, stop bumping the Ditka thread and opening threads about Manu going for 30 or more points.... every time you did so... nothing happened!
Lets let it be people, call me supers ious but I really want him to explode and be the Manu we all know and love.

[vander]

time to trade manu, and fabs, if anyone will take them

[Ginofan]

time to trade manu, and fabs, if anyone will take them

Be serious.

[Nikos]

The 2005 Playoffs were a fluke. He was ridiculously good that year, and I can't think of any other good explanation other then he just had a very good playoffs. He won't ever have that kind of playoff again, very few second fiddles play that well on offense.

So yeah, that Manu is gone. Just like he had an awesome playoff in 05, he can easily have subpar playoffs (like you have seen the past couple years) -- at least when you relate it to his regular season performance.

Using 2005 as a comparison is unrealistic.

[mytespurs]

Isn't Manu coming off or still suffering from some nagging injuries (ankle, groin)? P

[1Parker1]

Where's Michael Finley? is the real question...

[chaco]

The better question is where is Duncan

+1
Where's TD !!!!!

[TMTTRIO]

Manu just hasn't been the same since injuring and reinjuring his groin/ankle. His shooting touch has been way off since then and he looks really tentative to drive it. In the playoffs he's been shooting 33% from 3 point line compared to 40% in the regular season. Even his FG% is down a lot.