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this looks bad when broken down assist by assist like this, but a differential in assists at home versus on the road is probably to be expected considering that paul's teammates are going to shoot better at home.
Eh, his stats aren't as fudged as John Stockton's assist numbers used to be. Stockton would get assists for everything. It got so bad at one point that the NBA actually stepped in and told the Jazz to get new statkeepers.
On the other hand, San Antonio has stingy assist statkeepers. Back when Pop was GM and Bob Hill was coach, Pop was quoted in the newspaper as saying the statkeepers need to be more generous with assists because the only reason AJ doesn't average double-figures in assists was because of the home statkeepers.
this looks bad when broken down assist by assist like this, but a differential in assists at home versus on the road is probably to be expected considering that paul's teammates are going to shoot better at home.
The Hornets' stat keepers are using HAX!
omg HAX
It is interesting, I remember an ESPN suject on how great this generation of PG is with 4 players over 10 apg.
I wonder if all the assists stats are like this or only those of the top players.
That said Paul is still a great young PG whatever is real assist numbers are.
It also remind me that in the FIBA games it is much harder to receive credit for an assist.
Averaging over 5 apg already very good.
cp3 is overrated and is a choker, i cant believe he cudnt beat those old spurs
Mucho AJ love!
At its peak, Stockton averaged like 2 APG more at home than on the road, which is ridiculous.
One game Stockton had 3 more assists than the Jazz had FGM. The Utah scorekeeper said it was because he was practicing polygamassists.
God damn.
First of all, the whole stat-keeping process is screwed. It's subjective, inconsistent, and has been inflated over the years. In 1962, only 1 player averaged more than 8 assists per game, even though the teams averaged 118 points per game. Back then, assists were credited on about 50% of all field goals scored. Now it's over 60%.
And what's an assist? According to the NBA’s statisticians' manual, an assist is credited to the player tossing "the last pass leading directly to a field goal if, and only if, the player scoring the goal responds by demonstrating immediate reaction toward the basket." An assist can be credited if a receiving player takes a dribble, so long as he makes an immediate reaction toward the basket. If a player dribbles twice, it shouldn't result in an assist. But if a player in-bounds the ball to a teammate at mid-court, who goes uncontested for a layup, the scorer will sometimes award an assist.
The league is well aware of the value of superstars for increasing revenues. Paul's numbers have benefitted from that. But that's not the only thing affecting the numbers. There is a whole new wave of statisticians working NBA games. They are all trying to prove that they can be worth phenomenal salaries for revealing hidden secrets in the numbers. Statistics are always a great way to spin a lie. But when you have someone with an agenda collecting the stats, based on a very subjective set of cir stances, you're going to have some "amazing" results. And the statisticians are going to be able to tell people what they want to hear.
BTW - the best way to prevent a player from getting an assist is to make sure the player receiving the ball doesn't score. Pop didn't get caught up in the CP3 hype, and stuck to team defense.
Nah, he gets assists for patting the ass of the player shooting FTs. They need encouragement to do that in Utah.
One game Stockton had 3 more assists than the Jazz had FGM. The Utah scorekeeper said it was because he was practicing polygamassists.
now this is a thread that brings light to the sport of basketball, not just a thread for cheerleaders.....go spurs go
Assists are VERY subjective, and are not recorded anything like they used to be. Now, a player can catch the ball and dribble before scoring, and the passer still get an assist. Also, if CP3 were double teamed, and he passed out of it to a guy then in a better situation to score, he can be given an assist. Any time you are passing to a guy down on the block, I would say there is a very good chance to get an assist since that guy is in a good scoring position. It's kindof dumb, but it's what this league has turned to, this happened well before CP3.
Assists aren't that subjective, on most of these plays the person receiving the assist took two or more dribbles, and moved sometimes as much as ten feet, I don't consider that an assist and can't see how anyone could.
Well look, I have no idea about these particular plays, they could easily be BS.
But it doesn't matter how many steps you take or dribbles etc. That's what makes it so subjective. You could go all the way down court and score, and the passer still get an assist if the pass lead to an open run at the basket.
One example could be if the Spurs had two guys come out on CP3. If he was double teamed, and he passed out which lead to a score, that too can be called an assist. As long as the pass lead to some sort of advantage or good scoring opportunity. That can mean SO many things. It can also allow for people to give assists that may not be true assists.
This did not used to be like that. I don't believe they used to allow any dribbles after the pass. I think that negated an assist way back when.
It may be subjective to some extent, when looking at the actual definition of an assist a couple of these plays could be considered an assist.
I guess I've had a different definition of "assist" for the past fifteen years or so.
"The last pass to a teammate that leads directly to a field goal; the scorer must move immediately toward the basket for the passer to be credited with an assist; only one assist can be credited per field goal"
Here is a crappy video for your enjoyment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO9yI6YqAis
Thoughts?
and he looked like a nice guy
Any guy that looks like Carlton looks nice...and he looked like a nice guy
maybe the stat keepers had proposition bets on how many assists CP3 would have?
You're making an assist alot more complicated then it really is. Understandable, Chris Paul's your team's franchise player and you're just trying to defend him. But anyone who watches/has played basketball competetively USUALLY knows when there is and isn't assist. I personally haven't re-watched these plays, but from the description given by the author, those plays are in NO way an assist. Just because granting an assist to a player requires some amount of subjective reasoning is no reason to throw all logic out the window when counting or not counting an assist. That's the problem as I see it anyways.
I posted a video so see for yourself:
Pretty ridiculous. I didn't know passing to your teammate and letting him create his own shot counted as an assist
Man...I'm so disillusioned ....
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