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It only falls apart when you assume that both groups colluded as an act in their own best interest (i.e MLB owners in the late 80s).
When you have a double agent with influence over the other company, it's a completely different game.
Trading for Gasol cost the Lakers Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittendon, two 1st round draft picks, a second round draft pick and rights to Marc Gasol (Pau Gasol's brother), plus one other player I forgot. Crittendon is a 6' 5", quicker version of Jordan Farmar and can potentially play defense like Trevor Ariza. Marc Gasol is a younger, bigger, stronger and heavier version of Pau with better defense and offense.
Lakers shouldn't have thrown in Marc Gasol 'cause he has the potential to be a real impact player with his size and skills. All he needed, had the Lakers kept the rights to him, would have been 2 or 3 years, if that, of seasoning in the NBA, learning from Kareem and he would be able to dominate games at the center and power forward positions at certain times.
Lakers should have offered Farmar instead of Crittendon because Farmar will always have trouble playing against bigger/stronger Deron Williams type guards. Crittendon is quick enough to take on smaller/faster guards and also has better ball handling skills than Farmar. From what I saw during the his time with the Lakers, Crittendon doesn't seem to get fazed playing on the road but instead becomes more aggressive unlike Farmar who at times goes into a s for extended stretches.
All the other NBA teams, I think the Bulls were one of them, interested in Gasol only dabbled with the idea of a trade. The Lakers were the only team that gave Memphis a serious offer.
It only falls apart when you assume that both groups colluded as an act in their own best interest (i.e MLB owners in the late 80s).
When you have a double agent with influence over the other company, it's a completely different game.
I say this as an European.
Los angeles is one place you don't want to be in the US.
This guy really believes in what he writes, to the point that he actually fills lots of lines.
Amazing.
The Gasol-for-Nothing trade is like an Bonner-for-Stoudamire trade with Sean Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_ running a show in Phoenix.
And that actually makes a little bit of sense if this trade went down at the deadline. But when it goes down weeks in advance when other teams had more to offer, it just doesn't make sense. There is absolutely no way that the Lakers would pull this offer off the table - no matter what Mitch said - and refuse to give the Griz these same pieces at the deadline.
West discussed this on the radio this morning with Dan Patrick. You can listen to the podcast at danpatrick.com
The league asked him to present the trophy.
He discusses the Gasol/Kwame trade, and confirms that while both sides told him of the deal he was not involved.
Grizzlies made a deal about money - nothing more, nothing less.
If you want to talk collusion, you should be talking about Ainge and McHale and the deal for Garnett. They have already acknowledged collusion.
Fact is, Lakers had what Memphis wanted from a financial perspective - the right mix of expiring contracts and young players and picks. No one else did. it was not a secret that Pau was available. No one else wanted to step up to his huge contract, expecially since he is not a franchise player - it is only when he got dropped into a system like the triangle next to a player like Kobe that he looks as great as he does. If he had gone elsewhere, he would not have the impact he is having in LA.
Which is not to say it wasn't a ridiculously great deal for the Lakers - it was. But it was in no way unfair. If the Spurs wanted to have him, they could have. You love him so much, why didn't you go after him?
Etc.
Wow. The bitterness, persecution complex runs deep among you guys. If it was not for the Spurs, no one would know that San Antonio existed. I guess that's why you guys take the loss so bitterly.
Well, you have the entire summer to get over it and move on. Make good use of it. See the world. Get out of San Antonio. All this talk about smog, and "second rate" city just belies your ignorance.
Ever wonder why so many of your own players choose to visit and stay in Southern California for the summer? No one would even dream of vacationing in San Antonio.
BTW, thanks for being great past champions. You wore it well.
That's the other teams problem for not being efficient and/or having any balls to pull off a trade. And who's to say the Memphis FO didn't think, "This might be the best offer we'll get".
Y'all acting like the Lakers gave up nothing. Yeah Kwame "Hands of Stone" sucks, M. Gasol and Crittendon are unproven and the draft picks have yet to happen. Part of doing business is always taking risk and making do with what's there. The Lakers and Memphis took that risk and put the pieces together for a trade to happen. End of story.
Yeah, and my penis stretches from here to the wall. Get real.
Jerry West was one of the many piece of Lakers that tried to gyp Elgin Baylor out of his share of championship bonuses
Success breeds contempt....yada yada yada
Why so desperate? Why so needy? Why so insecure?
Do not question the Logo's integrity.
Players are champs.Wow. The bitterness, persecution complex runs deep among you guys. If it was not for the Spurs, no one would know that San Antonio existed.
Absolutely.
I guess that's why you guys take the loss so bitterly.
Nah it's the insult to intelligence.
Well, you have the entire summer to get over it and move on. Make good use of it.
Use of what?
See the world.
Get out of San Antonio.
And you think that Spurs fans are ONLY in S, Antonio?
I have NEVER been to S. Antonio!
All this talk about smog, and "second rate" city just belies your ignorance.
Not at all.
Los Angeles is a terrible city to live in.
Period.
It's acttually a cancer that has overgrown its manageable possibilities.
Ever wonder why so many of your own players choose to visit and stay in Southern California for the summer? No one would even dream of vacationing in San Antonio.
People fly in from everywhere to vacation in my country.
And your sleazy "best" player knows that better than anyone.
He sure has learnt a lot of that flopping mode down here....
BTW, thanks for being great past champions. You wore it well.
Fans just watch.
The Logo's integrity ran afoul of the Logo's actions this year. He'll never be looked at the same again. *cough*asterisk*cough* You'll have to live with it.
No, you have to live with the fact that your favorite team was just stomped by an emerging Lakers dynasty. Have fun watching the Lakers win multiple les over the next 10 years while Spurs shrivel back into irrelevancy.
2 weeks before trade deadline LOLOLOL, it is funny when laker fans try to rationalize this trade.
give it up, grizz could have done much much better.
*cough*asterisk*cough*
That's gonna burn ya up, isn't it? Get used to it.
*cough*asterisk*cough*
no respect for ya'll. Stern's favorite widdle team.
*cough*asterisk*cough*
That's my point though, if that's the best offer, it still would have the best offer 3 weeks later.
There is no way that the Lakers were going to refuse to give up that group of players in exchange for Gasol.
It's not so much that the package sucked altogether (although it did), it's more that it sucked compared to what other teams who had a need for Gasol likely would have put together when we got closer to the deadline. The Grizzlies had 100% of the leverage and used none of it.
1 of 2 things is true (possibly both):
1) Collusion was involved with the Logo's influence.
2) Chris Wallace is just a complete and utter moron.
You are more than welcome to believe item #2, but quit trying to polish that turd of a package and tell us that the Lakers gave up anything of value.
Last edited by K-State Spur; 05-30-2008 at 07:33 PM.
Other teams would have bid them up. That's what businesses do. But Lakers fans are a noodle-headed bunch. It's hard to explain to them.
No, it makes me laugh at the fact you are so bitter over not being able to watch your Spurs repeat, ever.
Basketball fans still respect the Spurs, though:
*cough*asterisk*cough*
That's gonna burn ya up, isn't it? Get used to it.
*cough*asterisk*cough*
no respect for ya'll. Stern's favorite widdle team.
*cough*asterisk*cough*
I always use fantasy sports leagues as the metric for sportsmanship.
Does your fantasy basketball league have a salary cap, poor attendance numbers, and an owner that wants to move or sell the the franchise? Keep ing about the Gasol trade, but it makes sense if you wanted one of the biggest expiring contracts on the market, and cheap talent to build towards the future.
Just like the league wouldn't risk having Joey Crawford officiate crucial playoff games for the Spurs?
If the Pistons get close today, I'm half expecting David Stern's son to run onto the court and hit Rip Hamilton with a chair!
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