Can someone please explain the differences between Obama and McCain?

[AZLouis]

McCain helped write and voted for the Military Commissions Act of 2006. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.3930:

Obama opposed it and voted against it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BIylNUkmvo

There is one example of the differences twixt McCain and Obama.

More recently you can research the GI Bill and the gas tax issue.

Or you can read http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm This has a decent summarization of their stances on issues and their voting record.

[MannyIsGod]

You don't think he's a far lefty? Maybe not boutons-lefty, but he's pretty far left. He shouldn't run from it, though. He should embrace it. He ought to rock it.

He's liberal within American politics but he's no where near a radical anything much less leftist.

Barak is also more conservative (in the true sense of the word - not the stupid current political usage of it) than McCain in many ways - especially socially.

You could never construe him as a far leftist in any true political sense. Maybe in the way our media discusses things, but our media's classifications are so far from the true political usage of liberal and conservative its not even funny.

[jochhejaam]

He's liberal within American politics but he's no where near a radical anything much less leftist.

Barak is also more conservative (in the true sense of the word - not the stupid current political usage of it) than McCain in many ways - especially socially.

You could never construe him as a far leftist in any true political sense. Maybe in the way our media discusses things, but our media's classifications are so far from the true political usage of liberal and conservative its not even funny.

Conservative and Liberal don't always carry the same meaning in other Countries, but Barack and McCain live in America, so it would be absurd to label them by anything other than that which is defined by American standards.

And yes, he is a left-leaning Liberal according to American definitions of Left and Liberal.


Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007
By Brian Friel, Richard E. Cohen and Kirk Victor, National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Thursday, Jan. 31, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., the other front-runner in the Democratic presidential race, also shifted to the left last year. She ranked as the 16th-most-liberal senator in the 2007 ratings, a computer-assisted analysis that used 99 key Senate votes, selected by NJ reporters and editors, to place every senator on a liberal-to-conservative scale in each of three issue categories. In 2006, Clinton was the 32nd-most-liberal senator

http://nj.nationaljournal.com/votera...ters ialskip

[NorCal510]

lol @ my knowledge seeking thread turning into a flame war

[JoeChalupa]

lol @ my knowledge seeking thread turning into a flame war

You know you are the when it comes to making classic threads.

[MannyIsGod]

Conservative and Liberal don't always carry the same meaning in other Countries, but Barack and McCain live in America, so it would be absurd to label them by anything other than that which is defined by American standards.

And yes, he is a left-leaning Liberal according to American definitions of Left and Liberal.


Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007
By Brian Friel, Richard E. Cohen and Kirk Victor, National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Thursday, Jan. 31, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., the other front-runner in the Democratic presidential race, also shifted to the left last year. She ranked as the 16th-most-liberal senator in the 2007 ratings, a computer-assisted analysis that used 99 key Senate votes, selected by NJ reporters and editors, to place every senator on a liberal-to-conservative scale in each of three issue categories. In 2006, Clinton was the 32nd-most-liberal senator

http://nj.nationaljournal.com/votera...ters ialskip

And none of that makes him a "radical leftist" as I said above. Context is a beautiful thing. I never said he wasn't a "left leaning" liberal. (that really should go in the no column) I said he wasn't a radical leftist.

[jochhejaam]

Context is a beautiful thing. I never said he wasn't a "left leaning" liberal.

Sure you did

He's liberal within American politics but he's no where near a radical anything much less leftist.

and we'll move on to this;

Definitions of leftist on the Web:

believing in or supporting tenets of the political left
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&d...ition&ct= le

Context my arse

[spurster]

Who would increase the deficit more? McCain.

Who would continue our torture the enemy policy? McCain.

Who would continue our spy on America policy? McCain.

Who would nominate more Supreme Court justices to deny habeas corpus, the right to a fair trial, and the right to vote? McCain.

Who would stay in Iraq indefinitely? McCain.

[ChumpDumper]

I saw Obama give a terrorist fist jab to Rachel Ray.

[Supergirl]

Check out the facts:
McCain is far more intelligent than Bush, but when it comes down to it, he has voted EXACTLY the same as he has something like 98% of the time. So if you think the war in Iraq is going along splendidly (no exit strategy in sight, increased terrorism in the region since it began, massively in debt as a result) - well, by all means vote for him.

Also, if you don't value things like freedom of expression, freedom to dissent, and freedom from government interference in your daily life - by all means, vote for McCain. Because he has shown no signs of slowing down the fascist shift this country has taken since Bush took office.

Obama is a fairly moderate Democrat. So is Clinton, by the way. McCain talks like a moderate Republican but votes the party line, which for the past 10 years has meant voting the way the corporations and evangelical Christians want him to vote. When those two en ies conflict, the corporations usually win.

[cajunspur]

Check out the facts:
McCain is far more intelligent than Bush, but when it comes down to it, he has voted EXACTLY the same as he has something like 98% of the time. So if you think the war in Iraq is going along splendidly (no exit strategy in sight, increased terrorism in the region since it began, massively in debt as a result) - well, by all means vote for him.

Also, if you don't value things like freedom of expression, freedom to dissent, and freedom from government interference in your daily life - by all means, vote for McCain. Because he has shown no signs of slowing down the fascist shift this country has taken since Bush took office.

Obama is a fairly moderate Democrat. So is Clinton, by the way. McCain talks like a moderate Republican but votes the party line, which for the past 10 years has meant voting the way the corporations and evangelical Christians want him to vote. When those two en ies conflict, the corporations usually win.

How has the government interfered in your daily life? Have you not been able to express yourself in the past 8 years? I have said whatever the I want and I am free. The government has not interfered with me, besides taking money from me in taxes. Fascist? are you serious? First you make terrible points about basketball, now politics. Please stick to discussing cooking and cleaning like I told you before.

Obama has the most liberal voting record of all Democrats. There is an articled above discussing. He is not moderate at all.McCain has gone across party lines to write up some bills. I don't always agree with them, but he has done it.

Please answer my first couple of questions

[xrayzebra]

okay.
Obama is a dimm-o-crap and
McCan is a RINO=Rublican in name only.

The media loves Obama because he is an activist, liberal,
dimm-o-crap.

They used to like McCain because he went against the grain of the Pubs. BUT!.

But now McCain is running against one their own, the medias, folks so he is the enemy.

Now you want the rest of the story, Google it. Or just try using your simple, wasted brain.

[ChumpDumper]

Obama is a journalist?

[Supergirl]

How has the government interfered in your daily life? Have you not been able to express yourself in the past 8 years? I have said whatever the I want and I am free. The government has not interfered with me, besides taking money from me in taxes. Fascist? are you serious? First you make terrible points about basketball, now politics. Please stick to discussing cooking and cleaning like I told you before.

Obama has the most liberal voting record of all Democrats. There is an articled above discussing. He is not moderate at all.McCain has gone across party lines to write up some bills. I don't always agree with them, but he has done it.

Please answer my first couple of questions

You know, when you reduce yourself to making sexist remarks, you simply look like an ignorant ass. If you'd like to actually have an intelligent discussion, please let me know and show up looking intelligently.

But for the education of anyone else who might actually be trying to do this:
The Patriot Act has done tremendous damage to our country - that is what I am referring to. "Fascist shift" is a cautious term I am using (borrowed from Naomi Wolf's book The End of America) to describe the slow erosion of democracy in this country. In it, she outlines the 10 ways in which the very tenets of democracy our founding fathers painstakingly put in place are being chipped away. Our democracy is being closed down, little by little. Is there time to reverse this? Yes. But it takes a lot more work to keep a democracy open than it does to shut it down. And most of the fascist or authoritarian regimes of the 20th century WERE ELECTED DEMOCRATICALLY. That includes Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and many of the Latin American dictators.

Wolf's list, by the way:
1. Invoking an internal or external threat
2. Setting up secret prisons outside the rule of law
3. Develop a paramilitary force
4. Survey ordinary citizens
5. Infiltrate citizens groups
6. Arbitrarily detain and release citizens
7. Target key individuals
8. Restrict the press
9. Cast criticism as "espionage" and dissent as "treason"
10. Subvert the rule of law

She goes on to explain in fairly thorough but conservative ways how America has started down the path of each of these, but has the potential to reverse this trend.

[MannyIsGod]

Sure you did



and we'll move on to this;



Context my arse

Ugh whatever. Thanks for your wonderful contributions to this thread. I say one thing - you come and say NO THATS NOT RIGHT THIS IS when not even denying what I said.

Nice.

[MannyIsGod]

You know, when you reduce yourself to making sexist remarks, you simply look like an ignorant ass. If you'd like to actually have an intelligent discussion, please let me know and show up looking intelligently.

But for the education of anyone else who might actually be trying to do this:
The Patriot Act has done tremendous damage to our country - that is what I am referring to. "Fascist shift" is a cautious term I am using (borrowed from Naomi Wolf's book The End of America) to describe the slow erosion of democracy in this country. In it, she outlines the 10 ways in which the very tenets of democracy our founding fathers painstakingly put in place are being chipped away. Our democracy is being closed down, little by little. Is there time to reverse this? Yes. But it takes a lot more work to keep a democracy open than it does to shut it down. And most of the fascist or authoritarian regimes of the 20th century WERE ELECTED DEMOCRATICALLY. That includes Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and many of the Latin American dictators.

Wolf's list, by the way:
1. Invoking an internal or external threat
2. Setting up secret prisons outside the rule of law
3. Develop a paramilitary force
4. Survey ordinary citizens
5. Infiltrate citizens groups
6. Arbitrarily detain and release citizens
7. Target key individuals
8. Restrict the press
9. Cast criticism as "espionage" and dissent as "treason"
10. Subvert the rule of law

She goes on to explain in fairly thorough but conservative ways how America has started down the path of each of these, but has the potential to reverse this trend.

You're better off ignoring the kid.

[xrayzebra]

You know, when you reduce yourself to making sexist remarks, you simply look like an ignorant ass. If you'd like to actually have an intelligent discussion, please let me know and show up looking intelligently.

But for the education of anyone else who might actually be trying to do this:
The Patriot Act has done tremendous damage to our country - that is what I am referring to. "Fascist shift" is a cautious term I am using (borrowed from Naomi Wolf's book The End of America) to describe the slow erosion of democracy in this country. In it, she outlines the 10 ways in which the very tenets of democracy our founding fathers painstakingly put in place are being chipped away. Our democracy is being closed down, little by little. Is there time to reverse this? Yes. But it takes a lot more work to keep a democracy open than it does to shut it down. And most of the fascist or authoritarian regimes of the 20th century WERE ELECTED DEMOCRATICALLY. That includes Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and many of the Latin American dictators.

Wolf's list, by the way:
1. Invoking an internal or external threat
2. Setting up secret prisons outside the rule of law
3. Develop a paramilitary force
4. Survey ordinary citizens
5. Infiltrate citizens groups
6. Arbitrarily detain and release citizens
7. Target key individuals
8. Restrict the press
9. Cast criticism as "espionage" and dissent as "treason"
10. Subvert the rule of law

She goes on to explain in fairly thorough but conservative ways how America has started down the path of each of these, but has the potential to reverse this trend.

Supergirl. Study a little history and come back and talk to me. okay?

[cajunspur]

You know, when you reduce yourself to making sexist remarks, you simply look like an ignorant ass. If you'd like to actually have an intelligent discussion, please let me know and show up looking intelligently.

But for the education of anyone else who might actually be trying to do this:
The Patriot Act has done tremendous damage to our country - that is what I am referring to. "Fascist shift" is a cautious term I am using (borrowed from Naomi Wolf's book The End of America) to describe the slow erosion of democracy in this country. In it, she outlines the 10 ways in which the very tenets of democracy our founding fathers painstakingly put in place are being chipped away. Our democracy is being closed down, little by little. Is there time to reverse this? Yes. But it takes a lot more work to keep a democracy open than it does to shut it down. And most of the fascist or authoritarian regimes of the 20th century WERE ELECTED DEMOCRATICALLY. That includes Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and many of the Latin American dictators.

Wolf's list, by the way:
1. Invoking an internal or external threat
2. Setting up secret prisons outside the rule of law
3. Develop a paramilitary force
4. Survey ordinary citizens
5. Infiltrate citizens groups
6. Arbitrarily detain and release citizens
7. Target key individuals
8. Restrict the press
9. Cast criticism as "espionage" and dissent as "treason"
10. Subvert the rule of law

She goes on to explain in fairly thorough but conservative ways how America has started down the path of each of these, but has the potential to reverse this trend.

You didn't answer my 2 questions which were "How has the government interfered in your daily life? Have you not been able to express yourself in the past 8 years?" Please answer those. I know you won't. You will probably copy someone elses points again just like you do when you try to talk basketball. I am wearing a polo with a nice pair of slacks, so I would say I have shown up to this discussion looking intelligent.

[cajunspur]

You're better off ignoring the kid.

Probably so. Otherwise you will get embarrassed like Mannyisgod

[MannyIsGod]

Probably so. Otherwise you will get embarrassed like Mannyisgod

Wut

[cajunspur]

Wut

You are doing it to yourself now. Keep flipping that camera off. Go tell some Chuck Norris jokes, and rick roll someone.

[Ignignokt]

Manny is lactating, leave him alone.

[Ignignokt]

Hows Obama for change?

awnsers, it's been 20000 threads allready and no awnsers.

Change does not mean adopting every platform from liberal interest groups in the party.

What kind of third rail issue is Obama taking?

None.

Move on s.

Obama is not for Change, but for Rehashing Socialist policies.


End of story.

[Mr. Peabody]

Hows Obama for change?

awnsers, it's been 20000 threads allready and no awnsers.

Change does not mean adopting every platform from liberal interest groups in the party.

What kind of third rail issue is Obama taking?

Well, recently, his attempt to bring evangelicals into the Democratic Party has ruffled the feathers of the progressives.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi..._to_Obama.html

His stance on Pakistan is contrary to the passives in the party.

http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1925

His refusal to accept money from lobbyists and PACs has angered traditional Democratic Party insiders

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4167551.shtml

Those are just some examples....

[braeden0613]

One's a democrat and the other is a far left liberal.

I think that sums it up pretty nicely.