^ That's a lot of bandwidth to dedicate to something that will never happen.
socialism in USA is as real as WMD in Iraq.
Right-wingers are dumb-as- suckers for any old right-wing talking points and scare-mongering.
Without govt intervention, the predatory corps and capitalists would "free-market-ly" us all over.
eg, the health care system, the food system (Monsanto monopolizing seed patents and selling GM seeds that don't produce seeds), BigPharma, etc, etc.
Automation is a good thing. It allows products to be made cheaper. Yes, there is less need for jobs. However, when items are made cheaper, people have more money to grow other industries. The job market is flexible and stays intact.
I have about 11 years of experience as a technician on various automation equipment. Even as it gets more reliable and produces more, I have been displaced in the job market. I have seen how prices go down, and seen some good insight into the subject matter.
Why not just imply that's why the unemployment rate went up this last time?
As for redistribution of wealth. It never works. Once you take it to the point that a persons work is shared by everyone, people race to see who can be the laziest producer. It is only when the productive get to keep the gains of their hard work when we have the most productive society.
"Once you take it to the point that a persons work is shared by everyone"
who's talking about that straw other than you?
tax is the main tool for wealth redistribution, and dubya made damn sure the wealth his tax cuts concentrated enormous wealth at the top, while low/middle incomes stagnated/declined. The wealth of the top 5% ain't never gonna trickle down, what a laffer.
You're preaching to the choir here, the Bush Administration did a great job of ing up.
It just sucks that it was so bad that now we're going to go from getting bent over to being bent over and having a telephone pole shoved up our collective asses.
It's not a straw when your ing boy wonder Obama is stating it as a fundamental platform piece.
I know you refuse to admit Obama is anything other than perfect, but you really need to work on your reading comprehension.
The headline would have been more effective had it been an actual Obama quote.
Well tell me. When is there enough wealth distribution enough for you socialists sissies? One day, we will take that path, and never recover.
I don't think its going to be nearly the way you think. I don't think Obama is going to be able to do much to set groundbreaking economic strategy. There will be more of the same with minor differences and politiicians saying LOOK WHAT WE DID when in reality they didn't do much.
And as long as he does what he says for forgien policy and on a few other fronts, I'll be very pleased.
I have a hard time believing that universal health care won't put a financial burden on us all. You've got the lazy and you've got what, 10 million illegals that will now have even more access to our health care system. I just don't see how that won't have a significant impact on us all, unless he's planning on having the printing presses fired up to the point that the dollar trades even with the peso.
Obama is starting to really not sit well with me.
We're almost there now.......unless he's planning on having the printing presses fired up to the point that the dollar trades even with the peso.
Here's another campaign "promise" that he won't be able to deliver.
Obama pledges $4,000 yearly tuition tax credit in Michigan campaign stop
(Blade, The <---another Obama butt-kissing news periodical>(Toledo, OH) (KRT) Via Acquire Media NewsEdge) Jun. 18--
TAYLOR, Mich. -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama met with students at a community college yesterday to highlight his plans for a $4,000 annual tuition tax credit, the second day he has contrasted his plans on bread-and-butter issues with his Republican rival, John McCain.
Mr. Obama said education "isn't an issue you hear Senator McCain talking much about. He's out of touch. He's voted time and again to stop us [from] making college affordable" <that's because he's not a socialist, i.e., he doesn't believe in robbing the hard-working to subsidize your bloated, massive en lements, you lousy, lying, no integrity, disingenuous, poc>.
The McCain campaign did not immediately respond to Mr. Obama's charge.
On Monday, Mr. Obama met with a family in Flint, Mich., with a $40,000 income and contrasted his proposals for a tax cut with those of Mr. McCain.
Tuesday's event was held at the Downriver campus of the Wayne County Community College District, where about 30 students who receive financial aid traded comments and questions with Mr. Obama about the burdens of paying for their educations.
Mr. Obama has proposed a $4,000 refundable tax credit per student, per year, for tuition, meaning it would be paid even if the individual paid no taxes. It would cover two-thirds of tuition at the average public college or university, and all of the tuition and some expenses at many community colleges, Mr. Obama said. The student would have to commit to 100 hours of public service to receive the help.
Student Demetrius Jenkins, 18, said he will owe about $6,000 in tuition to transfer to a four-year college, after receiving grants and federally guaranteed loans to cover about $10,000.
"One of the things I'm having trouble with is private loans," he said. Mr. Obama and the college's financial aid officer, Marcus McGrew, advised him to avoid private loans if possible.
"I'd make sure we have this additional $4,000 tuition credit so you don't have to resort to the private market," Mr. Obama said. He bemoaned "unscrupulous" lenders and said he wants more regulation of the private market.
"I feel that if he is elected, the issues he is concerned about will come about," Mr. Jenkins said afterward.
A 43-year-old part-time student at Wayne State who said her daughter, a full-time student at Eastern Michigan University, is in danger of losing her academic eligibility for her financial aid asked Mr. Obama for advice.
He suggested she spend less time watching TV, text-messaging friends, and going to movies and more time studying.
"If your daughter has an opportunity to attend a four-year school and get a degree, there are no excuses. She's got to keep her grades up and graduate," Mr. Obama said.
The mother, Stephanie Baker, said she plans to play back a recording of the event for her 20-year-old daughter, Autumn.
"She is such a staunch Obama supporter, it'll be like God talking to her <OMG!!!> ," Ms. Baker said.
Dental hygiene student Marilyn Pace teared up in a one-on-one meeting with Mr. Obama.
Ms. Pace said she is about $1,500 short of paying for tuition and supplies for her dental hygiene studies, on top of struggles paying living expenses and helping her father with medical expenses from a kidney transplant.
In her case, Mr. Obama and a college loan counselor said a private loan should be able to close the gap.
"Money is a really big issue for me, just paying for it all," said Ms. Pace, 23, who said she has $13,000 in debt. She said she will graduate with an associate's degree and will be able to apply for jobs once she passes her board and clinical exams. She said jobs in her chosen profession pay $25 to $30 per hour.
Mr. Obama said he plans to pay for his campaign promises, including universal health care, by raising taxes on incomes above $250,000 <B.S.!> He also said he would have the government make college loans directly, saving billions of dollars now going to private banks.
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/06/18/3504381.htm
If Hillary was the Queen of pandering, he's the King!
I'd venture to guess he's already working on the reasons he wasn't able to deliver on this pissant promise.
You and I both know Universal HC isn't going to happen.
Bob Lutz is a of a car guy. He's making dramatic changes that are going to pay HUGE dividends at GM for years to come. So much of the profit at GM relied on big trucks and SUV's - of course they were going to lose money right now. Lutz, striking a dramatic change at GM is looking to the future; to compete with foreign cars here in both quality, design and engineering. Reallly the brightest light in Detroit is Lutz; and one ANY company doing business in the USA would want; you might want to pick a different CEO to pick on
Universal health care (not universal, socialized health care, mind you) WILL happen in the next term.
Compe ive automobiles made by General Motors:
1. Chevrolet Malibu
2. Cadillac CTS
3. *crickets*
...and therein lies the crux of our economic system in this country.
I tried finding the quote (it elludes me) but it went something like...
"Capitalism is work of many owned by the few."
Basically, corporations being owned by one or few people while employing 1000s is a flawed design. The CEOs do work, they are worthy of thir positions most of the time, but that they alone reap the benefits from the many is flawed (by some's estimation).
Dont expect to me argue for or against such a notion, as I am neither qualified nor swayed one way or the other, but the argument is there.
ES used a word in another thread that I wasnt familiar with, so I had to look it up.
Distributism.
It does seem odd that so much money can be reaped for (your great-grandfather) having a good idea only once. Just seems...strange.
Who said anything about trickle down, he talked about production.
3. Pontiac G8
Malibu being compe ive is HUGE!! With the demise of the FS pickups; THAT will be the bread and butter of the line-up, able to compete with Accords/Camrys - and don't look now; Elantras.
Now look at when Lutz was made CEO, and when those cars you mentioned were brought to market - direct correlation. Over the next several years, there will be more.
Corporations owned by 1,000's have many "high" income employees. Upper management, sales staff, professional development, etc...
4. Pontiac Solstice
5. Corvette
6. Chevy Cobalt (competivie if not class leading, but certainly >>>>>>> Chevette!)
7. Upcoming Camaro will be a nice ride.
8. Not an "automobile" but he Tahoe hybrid is gonna do well, and gets good pub.
Of the big 3 (Big 2, and somewhat larger than average 3rd), GM has the brightest future. Lutz has been the visionary behind that.
A Democratic Congress that is bent on keeping their grasp on office by making their cons uents dependent on the government for everything with a marxist in the White House?
I wouldn't be so sure.
USSA! USSA! USSA!Mr. Obama has proposed a $4,000 refundable tax credit per student, per year, for tuition, meaning it would be paid even if the individual paid no taxes.
Socialism, economics for Obama
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