Penn State cover up

[Blake]

I don't know the intentions of those who sat on the video. But even beyond moral obligations, they are the media, and you report news, and this was BIG news involving a BIG program. ESPN has reported on more with less. Why they sat on what they had was very questionable. The tape alone is worth reporting on, because it confirms allegations of abuse at the hands of a coach still with opportunity enough to repeat the crimes of similar context. It's very much the same justification that Penn State ups gave where they each went to their respective chain of command and no further, meanwhile the offender stayed in the abusive context.

ESPN let "due process" run its course, only, a failure to bring charges against the man because statute of limitations had run out isn't tantamount to innocence, so, with a tape as damning as they had in hand, they could have done a lot of good in running the story.

News outlets don't run stories without some kind of corroboration for what should be obvious reasons.

Nobody else stepped forward during that time and the complaint had already been looked into by the police.

[Blake]

what ESPN did was worse than what Paterno did, where's all the rabble rabble now? or did you all already get your fix of "LOOK HOW OUTRAGED I AM! I HATE OBVIOUSLY EVIL THINGS SO MUCH I'M SUCH A GOOD PERSON!"

wtflol

What Paterno did was deplorable, imo.

An assistant actually witnessed the rape, told Paterno and all he did was tell the AD and that was that.

In the Fine case, there was just one person coming to ESPN, tape in hand saying he was manhandled. He had already gone to authorities.

Big difference, but your outrage is funny.

[Blake]

Then you're blind.

so now you've gone from just wondering about the pass to saying there is definitely a pass?

Help me see what you see. Provide the evidence of such a pass given to Boeheim because he is Jewish.

[JMarkJohns]

News outlets don't run stories without some kind of corroboration for what should be obvious reasons.

Nobody else stepped forward during that time and the complaint had already been looked into by the police.

I've worked in the media for a half-dozen years, and it's their dream to have a tape recording as corroboration on matters. The tape was relevant, even if the law said the statute of limitations had run out on its use in the courtroom.

You don't run with unsubstantiated claims. The kid alone was that. Once the tape was brought forward with the accused's wife admitting to knowledge of the alleged abuse, you have corroboration. The tape was acquired through legal means, and any questions about it's authenticity/content/manipulation could have been addressed. Lastly, OK, so the media doesn't air the story. They didn't even bother to pass it on to the police. It doesn't matter that it wouldn't have mattered. They didn't know that. They took pretty damning evidence and sat on it for nearly a decade.

[Giuseppe]

so now you've gone from just wondering about the pass to saying there is definitely a pass?

Help me see what you see. Provide the evidence of such a pass given to Boeheim because he is Jewish.

You're gonna parse like this:::
Originally Posted by JMarkJohns
I don't know]]]

& then attempt to hold my feet to the fire?

Please.

[Axe Murderer]

look at 'seppe, swingin from branch to branch:::: clingin on for dear life

If this don't beat all I've ever seen

[ChumpDumper]

I've worked in the media for a half-dozen years, and it's their dream to have a tape recording as corroboration on matters. The tape was relevant, even if the law said the statute of limitations had run out on its use in the courtroom.

You don't run with unsubstantiated claims. The kid alone was that. Once the tape was brought forward with the accused's wife admitting to knowledge of the alleged abuse, you have corroboration. The tape was acquired through legal means, and any questions about it's authenticity/content/manipulation could have been addressed. Lastly, OK, so the media doesn't air the story. They didn't even bother to pass it on to the police. It doesn't matter that it wouldn't have mattered. They didn't know that. They took pretty damning evidence and sat on it for nearly a decade.

Wouldn't the victim or whoever made the tape be expected to take a copy to the police?

[ChumpDumper]

Or myriad other media outlets?

[JMarkJohns]

Wouldn't the victim or whoever made the tape be expected to take a copy to the police?

I've read he did, and was told the statute of limitations had run out for its usefulness in his specific case. The argument many are making is that ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper had a responsibility to inform the public of this potential harm independent of whether or not that tape would be used in a court of law. They aren't handcuffed by statutes in the same way the law is, and that because it was still news, it was worthy of being aired.

What's the adage, if it's of public concern, it's for public knowledge?

That idea. Here's a powerful man at a powerful university whose own wife admitted he is attracted to boys, and acknowledged the allegations against him by Davis were truthful.

That's worth bringing to people's attention regardless of whether or not the police can do anything in the instance.

Davis took the recordings to two most prominent media outlets in the case, the local Syracuse newspaper, and the national "World-Wide Leader". Neither did their part in justice being done.

[ChumpDumper]

Davis took the recordings to two most prominent media outlets in the case, the local Syracuse newspaper, and the national "World-Wide Leader". Neither did their part in justice being done.

So Davis just stopped then?

Guess he just got busy for ten years.

[Giuseppe]

So Davis just stopped then?

Guess he just got busy for ten years.

Dumper, runnin' just as fast as he can.

[Blake]

You're gonna parse like this:::
Originally Posted by JMarkJohns
I don't know]]]

& then attempt to hold my feet to the fire?

Please.

Me parsin' like that is not the same at all as you making a claim that Media! gave Boeheim the Jewish passover treatment.

If this is just speculation on your part because of personal perception of Media!, just say so and your feet will feel much cooler.

[Giuseppe]

Me parsin' like that is not the same at all as you making a claim that Media! gave Boeheim the Jewish passover treatment.

If this is just speculation on your part because of personal perception of Media!, just say so and your feet will feel much cooler.

Blake, gettin' his serious on again.

You look pisser.

[Blake]

The argument many are making is that ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper had a responsibility to inform the public of this potential harm independent of whether or not that tape would be used in a court of law.

Many?

Link to some of these many?

[Blake]

Blake, gettin' his serious on again.

You look pisser.

Let me see what you see.

Show me your evidence.

[Giuseppe]

Let me see what you see.

Show me your evidence.

I'm pleased that I coaxed you back onto the high road again. That "I don't know." was a gasser.

[Blake]

I'm pleased that I coaxed you back onto the high road again. That "I don't know." was a gasser.

I've been on the high road the whole time. I'm certain you still don't know.

If you do really know, now would be as good a time as any to share.

[JMarkJohns]

So Davis just stopped then?

Guess he just got busy for ten years.

No. He was involved in the process through 2005. Not exactly sure what he's done in the six years since, but perhaps taking his story to the media who did nothing and to the police who told him too late was a discouragement? He only came forward in the wake of Penn State when he realized furthered silence only empowered/enabled the accused.

And, Blake, I'm not even searching for these articles and in just general browsing I've stumbled across 1 or more per day since this happened. I even referenced one (maybe linked) earlier in this thread. A basic google search right now brought back multiple links on ESPN's role/culpability in the first few pages. The links are out there. I've also listened to a lot of Sports Talk Radio, and the opinions are out there as well.

Whether out-right condemning or curious for reasons "why?", I would say a good number — many — think something is a bit off with two major news outlets sitting on a story for a decade when they had tape recorded corroboration to fend off any worry of "unsubstantiated" claims.

[Giuseppe]

I've been on the high road the whole time. I'm certain you still don't know.

If you do really know, now would be as good a time as any to share.

"I don't know" made you a fool, daddy-O. And you know it.

[Blake]

Not exactly sure what he's done in the six years since, but perhaps taking his story to the media who did nothing and to the police who told him too late was a discouragement?

most likely a discouragement to ESPN as well, imo.

And, Blake, I'm not even searching for these articles and in just general browsing I've stumbled across 1 or more per day since this happened. I even referenced one (maybe linked) earlier in this thread. A basic google search right now brought back multiple links on ESPN's role/culpability in the first few pages. The links are out there.

You haven't given any real reason for me to think that ESPN is somehow morally culpable here.

Throw a couple of the links you've been reading. Maybe they'll have better reasons than you to hold ESPN's feet to the fire.

[Blake]

"I don't know" made you a fool, daddy-O. And you know it.

The butthurt you are experiencing over a silly joke is fascinating.

Evidence of this Jewish pass, please.

[JMarkJohns]

most likely a discouragement to ESPN as well, imo.

What does a statute of limitations running out for lawful prosecution and bringing attention to an accused and tape-recording corroborated pedophile have to do with each other? ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper claim "no corroboration", yet they had the tape with the wife of the accused corroborating the accusations. That's enough to run the story. The wife can later bluster about her role on the tape, but an expert has verified it's her, so that's rock solid proof that Davis should be viewed as credible, to the very least, report the accusations so Fine can be removed from his position.

You haven't given any real reason for me to think that ESPN is somehow morally culpable here.

Throw a couple of the links you've been reading. Maybe they'll have better reasons than you to hold ESPN's feet to the fire.

Yeah, yeah, I know, LINKS OR GET THE OUT...

Take some responsibility for your own opinion. It's not like you've said anything that would sway me that ESPN acted prudently on the matter. Why don't you search for links on articles that excuse ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper on this and post 'em here?

I've never said ESPN or others should be taken to court over this matter. But they didn't do their job, which is to report news, and this was news, and they had taped corroboration in hand, later verified, an sat on it because the law gave them the out. It wasn't timely, prudent or, in my opinion, and many others, the right thing to do.

[Blake]

What does a statute of limitations running out for lawful prosecution and bringing attention to an accused and tape-recording corroborated pedophile have to do with each other? ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper claim "no corroboration", yet they had the tape with the wife of the accused corroborating the accusations. That's enough to run the story. The wife can later bluster about her role on the tape, but an expert has verified it's her, so that's rock solid proof that Davis should be viewed as credible, to the very least, report the accusations so Fine can be removed from his position.

How was ESPN supposed to know that the tape was real when it was first brought in?

Yeah, yeah, I know, LINKS OR GET THE OUT...

Take some responsibility for your own opinion. It's not like you've said anything that would sway me that ESPN acted prudently on the matter. Why don't you search for links on articles that excuse ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper on this and post 'em here?

My opinion is still flexible. I want to know what you are reading that makes you so firm in yours.

I really don't care if you get the out or not.

[ChumpDumper]

What does a statute of limitations running out for lawful prosecution and bringing attention to an accused and tape-recording corroborated pedophile have to do with each other? ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper claim "no corroboration", yet they had the tape with the wife of the accused corroborating the accusations. That's enough to run the story. The wife can later bluster about her role on the tape, but an expert has verified it's her, so that's rock solid proof that Davis should be viewed as credible, to the very least, report the accusations so Fine can be removed from his position.

Which expert? Was this verification available back then?

Yeah, yeah, I know, LINKS OR GET THE OUT...

I didn't read it that way at all.

I'd say that at best, ESPN could have confronted Boheim and the wife about it, likely get stonewalled, then nothing.

[Blake]

Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State assistant football coach charged last month with 40 counts of sexually abusing eight boys, was arrested Wednesday on new sexual abuse charges involving two additional accusers. The two testified before a grand jury that they were molested or raped by Sandusky over a period of years, the authorities said.

Wearing a Penn State windbreaker, Sandusky, 67, was taken to the Centre County Correctional Facility in Bellefonte, Pa., after his arraignment, because he was unable to pay the $250,000 cash bail. If Sandusky can post bail, he will have to wear an electronic ankle monitor and be subject to house arrest. He is not allowed to make contact with the accusers or witnesses and cannot have unsupervised contact with minors.

The new charges widen the Pennsylvania attorney general’s case against Sandusky, who now faces more than 50 counts of child sexual abuse, in advance of next Tuesday’s preliminary hearing in Bellefonte. Among the new counts, Sandusky was charged with four counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse and two counts of unlawful contact with a minor, all first-degree felonies punishable by up to 20 years in prison and $25,000 in fines.

......more

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/sp...e-charges.html