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Leonard must be thrilled with the 23 minutes tonight.
looking at his stat line tonight just screams max money
Leonard must be thrilled with the 23 minutes tonight.
He needs it, even if he doesn't deserve the deal, we have no choice but to keep him because some team WILL overpay him due to him being so young and a Finals MVP already.
Big market extra money isn't about teams contract it's about advertisement revenue, the player as selling signature, getting attention in orden to sell every thing.
Results? great playoffs, amazing two consecutive finals defending the best NBA player...However, Harden had better scoring numbers than Leonard so I think OKC saw the results.Small market teams don't hand out max deals without seeing some results
But they didn't re-sign him and we -and the rest of the league- still benefit from OKC being cheap...I wonder what team will be the beneficiary -in long terms- of Leonard no-extension.
Last edited by wildchild; 11-01-2014 at 03:39 AM.
Spurs FO should be a little concerned here, some team will definitely overpay for him it will happen. NBA champion, Finals MVP, younger player, bet your ass they will. Not every Spurs player will take less money to stay and build a winning team like Duncan and Manu.
I am not so sure that it really is that much of an issue. Kawhi knows he has already impressed the Spurs. Now he has to prove it to the rest of the NBA for this season. If Kawhi wants that max contract, he has no choice but to play like it for this season. If his performance falters this year, teams might be hesitant and not want to risk a max contract on a 1 hit wonder who is allegedly a product of the Spurs system. If he does well enough to warrant a max contract for another team, the Spurs can just match it. Regardless, the onus is on Kawhi to get that money this year. He will most likely work harder and play harder.
I think the Spurs FO knows what they are doing.
Get your money 'Whi. Dem hoes ain't loyal tbh.
Yea but that can cause some issues. Kawhi already wanted more minutes and opportunities, now the Spurs are adding a future contract on top of that (where the minutes and opportunities he gets impacts his next contract). I doubt Kawhi will become a locker room issue but that could lead to some resentment when it comes to the next off-season depending on how things are handled.
I don't hear any GM said he's a system product, instead they voted for him as the best perimeter defender in the league no named Lebron, and they think he'll command a max offer sheet on the market next summer according to Woj.
I'm not sure if he doesn't take the leap this season or if he doesn't have at least a good season, that implies he won't receive a max offer.
Like some rumors, I guess a le contender team -or just a rich rebuilding team, WC rival or not- will try to lure Leonard offering him a short term max deal.
If the Spurs match it, they don't lose nothing and the Spurs would have less money to spend on other free agents, if the Spurs don't match, they would lose their younger and promising player.
I think it's a win-win situation for any team in the league.
They'll match a short offer and he'll hit the market in 2017...Obviously, I trust in our FO, but we can't act like they never make a mistake about SF contracts...If he does well enough to warrant a max contract for another team, the Spurs can just match it. Regardless, the onus is on Kawhi to get that money this year. He will most likely work harder and play harder.
I think the Spurs FO knows what they are doing.
Isn't he from Killa Cali?Lakers fans on Twitter getting excited about the Lakers possibly luring him to LA
I wouldn't worry about any locker room issue, Leonard is young but not stupid.
He won't say nothing, his agent will do the dirty job.
He would talk to reports about how Leonard is frustrated with not playing more minutes, no being an offensive option, making know every GM's he wants a change.
Like he did yesterday, running to the press when the talks ended.
His agent knows he can't force a trade this season, but -after a season with the relationship on the rocks- expressing his discontent could be an open door next summer.
I think if they reach a point of no return, let Leonard walk would be the best for both sides.
Last edited by wildchild; 11-01-2014 at 09:04 PM.
WC....where you getting all this info? The logic trail doesn't fit.
His Agent can't do .
He can't force a trade, he can't play like . Doing so would impact any contract offer from any team. It's in his best interest to play well. Once he does that, the teams will now offer him a deal, the Spurs will simply match and they own him, lock, stock, and barrel. Where's this open door you speak of?
Explain.
The only talk we've had is from Leonard's agent. Maybe Leonard feels the same or maybe he's just letting his agent do his job. Whether we like it or not it's his job to get the best deal for Leonard. Not worry about discounts for the Spurs or keep quiet in the press.
If Leonard is unhappy his best move is to sign a Parson like deal and become a free agent in 2017. Spurs match and keep him for 2 years and Leonard goes his own way after that.
Should make for a fun summer.
Leonard said he wants more minutes to be more consistent and increase numbers, but I don't think Pop will play him 38 mpg like other young players in the league.
It's crazy to think he might get frustrated if he doesn't play more, or if he doesn't play the more prominent offensive role he wants?.
Obviosuly he's playing for a deal, I'm not saying Leonard will play bad, he developed his game every season.
I'm just saying even if he doesn't have a good season he still can receive a max offer next summer.
If he gets frustrated enough next summer more teams will be interested. Sure the Spurs will match...a short-term offer.
Just for the record. Like you, I said "his agent knows he can't force a trade".
But he can play hard his-client-frustration/discontent card to get the attention of another teams, he knows Lakers, NYK, and more teams are salivating over the possility of stealing Leonard.
It's illogical, an unreasonable view? Well, you know, people think and react to the same facts in different ways ...
Last edited by wildchild; 11-01-2014 at 09:02 PM.
The market has already been set. Is Klay Thompson, Gordon Hayward or Alec Burks worth their deals? That's the market at play. Who says that Kawhi wants to play 38 minutes per game?
Champions Revealed has a segment where Pop says that he wrecks his player's stats because he pulls his stars in the 4th quarter, but the tradeoff is that the team is better because of it. There is nothing wrong with that logic. He's sitting in the catbird seat right now. He'll be allowed to grow and flourish as a 3rd or 4th option. Tim and Manu, will probably be done playing after this season, now Kawhi is the #1a or #1b option with TP and that summer, he'll still be getting max. How frustrated can he be?
You need to say which short term offer he'd take? if he's as you say, frustrated.
Those other teams you talk about, can't really do to steal Kawhi. For Kawhi to leave and earlier than 2017, he would have to take a Chandler Parsons type deal. 3 years max, last year is player option. But still, he's here until 2017. The Lakers will be making a play for 2016 because that is when Kobe's deal expires. They will pinpoint that time period because Laker fan will be foaming at the mouth after 2 years of suckage. NYK still has the Albatross that is Carmelo Anthony. And other teams? Who are we talking about here?
But, this is Spurstalk. What's the beauty of Kawhi not signing a deal on Halloween? Provided Manu and Tim retire, there is now 9M in cap space that is there BECAUSE KAWHI didn't sign on Halloween. Had he tried to force the Spurs hands, that 9M is gone. But because, he played ball....
http://ripcityproject.com/2014/06/24...e-free-agency/
From that article, these line is what we need to pay attention to:
Although the Spurs have been historically quiet on the major free agent front, they have not had cause to be loud until now. They are about to age out of the “Big 3 era” (for real this time) and are designed to recuperate instantaneously.
They will not refurbish their roster via trade because they will have virtually no contracts to barter, and they will not get a lot done in the draft because they will not be bad enough next season to get a high draft pick. It will have to be free agency or the much trickier sign-and-trade. So whose door will they come knocking on if Duncan decides next season is enough for him and they want an elite power forward in his stead? Aldridge’s. Look at the league’s other high quality PFs:
Blake Griffin: Signed through 2018
Anthony Davis: Will be in NOLA through at least 2017
Kevin Love: Expected to commit to new team once traded
Dirk Nowitzki: Dedicated to re-signing in Dallas (also, 112 years old)
David Lee: Signed through 2016
Zach Randolph: Will be signed to a multiyear deal within the month
Serge Ibaka: Signed through 2017
Chris Bosh: Will be signed to a multiyear deal within the month
Paul Millsap: The most viable option aside from Aldridge
Derrick Favors: Signed through 2018
Most of these players will be unavailable to them. Those that were available to them this year are no longer, because Duncan has displaced the Spurs’ need for a predecessor by another season. San Antonio’s best options for a power forward in 2015 free agency are Aldridge (elite), Millsap (fringe elite), or a mid-tier kind of guy like Kenneth Faried. Who would you double down on?
Of course, many stars have to align for this to be truly concerning, but the present concern is the likelihood of celestial alignment. It is likely that Aldridge forgoes a contract extension; it is likely that Duncan retires next year; and it is likely that the Spurs will pursue a positional replacement. By opting in, Duncan increased the odds on at least the second two happening.
Ignoring other suitors and any projected sense of allegiance for the time being, think about who Aldridge would pick if choosing between Portland and San Antonio in 2015. The Trail Blazers would have to slightly disassemble their core in order to afford him, while the most successful franchise in the modern NBA tries to woo him back to his home state with wads upon wads of cash. Warning bells should be ringing if they are not already.
Since Duncan’s decision to play another season has delayed San Antonio’s free agency push into Aldridge’s window of availability, things could get much hairier for Portland next year. A lot could happen between now and then, but the Spurs have placed themselves in prime position to pursue Aldridge. If they make the decision to go after him, his own decision will be far more complicated.
Agents of change, influence on Kawhi
By Buck Harvey
November 1, 2014 | Updated: November 1, 2014 11:10pm
It’s July of 2000. The Orlando Magic already have made their pitch to Tim Duncan, and now it is the Spurs’ turn.
In a luxurious San Antonio apartment that overlooks the river, Gregg Popovich and R.C. Buford are trying to tell Duncan what is going to happen during the next few years if he stays. When there is no way to know.
continue reading: http://www.expressnews.com/sports/co...4d2f1de4660723
Shots being fired by both sides doesn't help the situation.
Wonder if Leonard sticks with Elfus or gets a new agent.
Yeah, best thing for both sides is if it becomes a non-issue til next summer.
this agent is about to learn the hard way tbh...What a got damn novice. You don't run to the press and leak stories and huff and puff and make empty threats when dealing with the Spurs. Not the right way to go about doing business and no one ever does that with the Spurs for good reason.
There is no "dangerous game" here. People are clearly deluisional, especially this agent, if he can't understand simple business. Throwing a tantruam because you don't get exactly what you want, when you want it is a losing game. If the risk is that Kawhi will sign a "Parson's Deal", then there's not much risk. He'll get to FA sooner and if he's proved he's worth more money by then (and he's willing to risk longer term security by taking a 2-3 year deal) then the Spurs would gladly pay. If he has sour grapes 2 years later after all the Spurs have proven as an organization, trade his ass.So basically Buck saying this ^What's even more hilarious about this rookie a** agent is he cites "the market being set" referring to Parsons/Hayward presumably, without realizing somehow that they both hit FA themselves and weren't extended
This guy (based on everything I've read) seems to be poision for Kawhi. If there is truly any seed of contempt or unhappiness then it sucks Kawhi has let an agent trying to make a name for himself off of Kawhi ruin something good.
Agent Buck doing RC's bidding... nothing to see here...
Good read.
Thanks, I don't write very much, but when I do I try to make it on important topics.Good read
Or 35 minutes.
“In the Finals I’m playing 35 minutes a game, so I’m on the floor more and able to score the ball more and get more rebounds,” he said. “So I’m going to have to get consistent minutes to play at a consistent level like that...“It’s just in order to get me more involved in the offense, that’s what I go by. Like I said, if I’m going to get seven more minutes on the floor, that’s going to be important. We’ll see what happens. I mean, my role was supposed to expand last year and we played pretty much the same basketball.”
He wanted the max this last offseason, he wants to play more this season, he wants be the 1b option this season (he isn't the 1a-1b option if we look usage percentage he was the 4th/5th option on the floor last regular season), how frustrated can he be if he doesn't play more this season and should wait another season? A lot? A bit? Who knows.Tim and Manu, will probably be done playing after this season, now Kawhi is the #1a or #1b option with TP and that summer, he'll still be getting max. How frustrated can he be?
Don't get me wrong, I don't say he can't deal with the frustration to play good this season, he has champ mindset and he's mentally tough enough to handle the pressure.
I just said his frustration could be an important factor in making decision next summer.
Well, I don't need to say nothing but I can try to share my opinion like any of us here.You need to say which short term offer he'd take? if he's as you say, frustrated.
But if you answered your own question ("he would have to take a Chandler Parsons type deal. 3 years max, last year is player option"), why you ask me the same again?
Some possible scenarios:
-His agent fails to find the max offer Leonard wants, the Spurs offer him a good deal but not the max money, he's discontented with his role/few minutes and the fact the team aren't willing to offer the max...he accepts his qualifying offer to hit the market in 2016.
-Leonard receives a max short-term offer, the Spurs offer a long-term/near-max contrat, but not the max, he refuses to sign our deal because a-it's not the max he wants b-he wants to hit the market in 2007 c-he is discontented with his role/few minutes...he signs the offer sheet with the other, then the Spurs match (again) a short-term offer.
Best scenario? With the cap increasing and new TV deal, the Spurs can offer him a bird max contract. But we can't be sure (neither about matching any offer he receives, we heard the same about Asik, Parsons and others..).
The Lakers can sign big name FA in both years. If they don't reach contender status in 2016, they will be very aggressive in the free agent market in 2017, but I still think they can offer Leonard a max short-term deal in 2015, that deal doesn't ruin his cap space.Those other teams you talk about, can't really do to steal Kawhi. For Kawhi to leave and earlier than 2017, he would have to take a Chandler Parsons type deal. 3 years max, last year is player option. But still, he's here until 2017. The Lakers will be making a play for 2016 because that is when Kobe's deal expires. They will pinpoint that time period because Laker fan will be foaming at the mouth after 2 years of suckage. NYK still has the Albatross that is Carmelo Anthony. And other teams? Who are we talking about here?
About NYK even with Melo, Phil Jackson wouldn't like Leonard? During his years as coach, he surround Jordan and Kobe with talented and elite defensive players like Kawhi to win ships.
It would be great if we can sign Aldridge.Since Duncan’s decision to play another season has delayed San Antonio’s free agency push into Aldridge’s window of availability, things could get much hairier for Portland next year. A lot could happen between now and then, but the Spurs have placed themselves in prime position to pursue Aldridge. If they make the decision to go after him, his own decision will be far more complicated.
I don't want to sound pessimistic but the Spurs'll make a run at some big name like him or Gasol, those players probably re-sign with their teams or sign with a big market team, and then the Spurs overpay for middle-level talent signing Millsap.
Last edited by wildchild; 11-03-2014 at 02:56 AM.
This sounds more like some guy of FO was talking with Buck, than Buck talking with other reporters."The details of what he has said in off-the-record conversations with other members of the media cannot be repeated, but the gist is this: He has come across as petty and angry and unprofessional. "..."Based on how Elfus has responded"
Leonard won't fire Elfus so it's not a good idea if they try to discredit his agent.
Last edited by wildchild; 11-03-2014 at 12:55 AM.
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