The problem with the year 4 option is that it has to be exercised BEFORE year 3, not after.
Wood has always been good but never truly got a shot to prove it with real NBA minutes. I’ve vouched for him for 4 years on here. He was setting the G league on fire and produced in the few minutes he would get in Philly and Milwaukee. Detroit finally gave his shot and more than delivered. That’s not the case with Luka.
No need for the reminder, I'm just your regular Joe and not a prophet. When it comes to give the player a chance, I usually do (see preseason for DJ, Vassell and all offseason long for Samanic).
The whole “he was supposed to be a 2 year project” meme is already an admission that he was a big reach
Give him until the end of his rookie contract if each season he progresses.
unless he totally crap’s the bed in the development league bubble or has a bad at ude they shouldn’t give up on the young man after this season. COVID has really messed with the natural order of things and that should be taken into account.
You gotta give the roast time to cook before you say it's no good. Exercise that option and let's see.
Yeah, no kidding. There's nothing wrong with saying the team drafted Sam knowing he'd develop over years. But no, there was no expectation that he'd be unplayable for two seasons. Very few project players fail to see time in their rookie seasons. People act like the Spurs are the only team to develop players or something.
No, just the best.
A 6’10 guy with a 38” vert and the ability to dribble, shoot, and pass who is playable in year one isn’t a #19 pick, probably top 5.
In hindsight, which player should have been chosen in 2019?
I highlighted the players with either a 20mpg or 10ppg average, and discarded Porter as he's flamed out.
20 - Thybuille 6'5 SG - a gluttony of players at that size already on SAS roster
21 - Clarke 6'8 PF - he's most frequently mentioned online and has the best stats. Still, that shot he currently has looks peculiar. Probably why he's shooting 58% FT
28 - Poole 6'4 SG - see Thybuille
41 - Paschall 6'6 PF - awful team means his stats are inflated
Clarke is also over 3 years older than Samanic, played at a blue blood Gonzaga team. He's naturally a more ready player.
But these Spurs aren't ready to do any damage in the present, so it made sense to go with the younger guy who flourish alongside the other recent draft picks.
Like I said hindsight, if the Spurs knew Morris would bail and Carroll was who he was, that 19th pick would have been affected, most likely.
Even if he is a bust, busts happens to every team. Not like he was a top 3 pick. I always saw him as a long term project. They obviously saw something for them to use their first first round pick on him. They didn’t want to risk losing him.
I agree. I like Tom Petrini, but it sure feels like the media has to go out of there way to defend the organization, even for stuff that seems silly.
His challenge is mental, it seems. And youth may be a part of that. And so for some players, they can finally realize what they need to change, and that can be a faster change than actually having to work on all their skills. Or...the light might not ever turn on. So, assuming I'm right and it is mostly mental, then it might need to get worse before it gets better, especially if he is feeling some en lement and resentment.
Looking at that list, the draft looks weaker than I thought. So many of these names I haven't heard anything from in casual reporting on the media. With Thybulle, if anything, he is losing his minutes to other players.In hindsight, which player should have been chosen in 2019?
I highlighted the players with either a 20mpg or 10ppg average, and discarded Porter as he's flamed out.
20 - Thybuille 6'5 SG - a gluttony of players at that size already on SAS roster
21 - Clarke 6'8 PF - he's most frequently mentioned online and has the best stats. Still, that shot he currently has looks peculiar. Probably why he's shooting 58% FT
28 - Poole 6'4 SG - see Thybuille
41 - Paschall 6'6 PF - awful team means his stats are inflated
Clarke is also over 3 years older than Samanic, played at a blue blood Gonzaga team. He's naturally a more ready player.
But these Spurs aren't ready to do any damage in the present, so it made sense to go with the younger guy who flourish alongside the other recent draft picks.
Like I said hindsight, if the Spurs knew Morris would bail and Carroll was who he was, that 19th pick would have been affected, most likely.
That's antiquated. There are a lot of good developmental and scouting departments out there. Plenty of them take guys who aren't all there yet and work their way into be solid to very good players. Very few of those eventual successes go multiple years without being in a rotation.
No one cares. I'm sorry, man, but it's true. What's going to matter is how Samanic plays, not whether a team like the Knicks or Kings would've drafted him in the top five a year later. Teams draft busts up there all the time. You don't get credit for drafting a bust later on just because he would've been a bigger bust a year later. I'm not saying that Sam is a bust. That's not yet decided. I am saying that at this point, he's a player on the Spurs, and where he was picked and where he could've been picked no longer matters.A 6’10 guy with a 38” vert and the ability to dribble, shoot, and pass who is playable in year one isn’t a #19 pick, probably top 5.
It's not normal to be this far away. I don't think the Spurs expected it, and folks acting like this was all part of their plan are saying so without evidence. Murray was two years away, but he still played his first year and played a lot his second year. The game he's developed since his second year is way better than what he was rocking, and his body has changed a lot too. He was a project as much as Sam is, but he didn't just sit in the d-league. Giannis played. Siakam played. Jokic played. Heck, even Christian Wood played more games in his first two seasons than Sam has. It's not normal. It's not to be expected. It's a bad sign, even if it ends up working out.
I've mentioned before that it wasn't a great draft. Clarke and Thybulle are obvious picks though. It's not just about replacing Sam with them on the roster. Clarke being drafted might've made it to where the Spurs didn't sign Lyles, which would've led to to them having enough cap space this off-season to sign someone else. Thybulle could've been the piece to put SA over the top in trading up for Wiseman or just allowed SA to draft a big this draft or trade down when other teams wanted Haliburton. And there could've been trade opportunities that we can't even imagine that would be available if the Spurs had more viable prospects to deal.In hindsight, which player should have been chosen in 2019?
I highlighted the players with either a 20mpg or 10ppg average, and discarded Porter as he's flamed out.
20 - Thybuille 6'5 SG - a gluttony of players at that size already on SAS roster
21 - Clarke 6'8 PF - he's most frequently mentioned online and has the best stats. Still, that shot he currently has looks peculiar. Probably why he's shooting 58% FT
28 - Poole 6'4 SG - see Thybuille
41 - Paschall 6'6 PF - awful team means his stats are inflated
Clarke is also over 3 years older than Samanic, played at a blue blood Gonzaga team. He's naturally a more ready player.
But these Spurs aren't ready to do any damage in the present, so it made sense to go with the younger guy who flourish alongside the other recent draft picks.
Like I said hindsight, if the Spurs knew Morris would bail and Carroll was who he was, that 19th pick would have been affected, most likely.
I don't want to make this a Clarke thread, but the team clearly showed with White that they didn't need to draft a bunch of teenagers. Clarke is the same age as Murray and younger than White and Poeltl right now. There shouldn't've been a concern that he'd age out before they improved.
Europlayers are too soft. I don't think he will ever get past that softness. Better to stick with US college athletes. The days of Eurostash has been dead for quite sometime now. Luka Donic being an exception. But those gems are few and far between.
Patience young Jedi’s
if ST was around in 2001 there'd be a 100 page thread dedicated to asking why we even drafted manu
not saying he's gonna pan out or he's the next star or anything like that... but this isn't the first rodeo, and i'm just thankful instead of him being a 2+ year draft and stash we get to see him play in Austin.
When a player is that far off, usually they're stashed first.
Sure, there's no evidence, but there's none to the contrary either and it was common sense from the start.
Murray was fortunate in that Parker and Ginobili were ancient and were going to be given games off and Mills was/is a secondary creator. Gay, Lyles, briefly Carroll and now Johnson, have been durable since Samanic has been drafted.
As a project, he was inherently more likely than not to not pan out. That said, it's true that if a player is going to be something worthwhile, they usually let you know early and force their way into minutes, like Johnson.
I don't disagree. But usually if a player HAS to be stashed because he's unplayable, he's not considered a first-round pick.
I don't think it's obvious at all. The Spurs have drafted multiple projects over the years and have been perfectly able to get them playing time in their first two seasons. We're not talking about a guy who only gets garbage-time minutes in his first year or so. We're talking about a guy who didn't play even in blowouts when he was active. This isn't the team's normal MO, especially.Sure, there's no evidence, but there's none to the contrary either and it was common sense from the start.
considering how high they drafted Sam. They definitely have a vested interest in developing him.
I mean, the Spurs are playing small right now because they don't feel like they have enough forwards to play bigger. That's what a ton of STers seem to think anyway. There's no rule that Vassell HAD to get minutes over Sam or that the Spurs had to go with nine guys in their rotation to start the season. There's definitely a pathway to minutes for young PF, and that's even more true of earlier in the season. Lonnie, as raw as he was, played 17 games in his first season. Sam has only played seven games total.Murray was fortunate in that Parker and Ginobili were ancient and were going to be given games off and Mills was/is a secondary creator. Gay, Lyles briefly Carroll and now Johnson, have been durable since Samanic has been drafted.
And that's the thing. Usually projects that work out get playing time early and "show something" even when they aren't ready for any real role. Murray, for all of his question marks, definitely showed ability to do things as a rookie. Walker showed his physical tools. And those guys and even guys like Forbes and Neal showed they had some NBA skills from jump street. Sam isn't good enough for the Spurs to even put him out there to see what they have. It's a weird red flag.As a project, he was inherently more likely than not to not pan out. That said, it's true that if a player is going to be something worthwhile, they usually let you know early and force their way into minutes, like Johnson.
Nah, there's been numerous foreign firsts stashed over the years.
Many of us said it at the time and it's well on it's way to coming to fruition. In the past they'd have stashed him first, but they've done a few things diffrerently recently. Metu getting 2 guaranteed years was not out of the Spurs playbook (Blair was a first round talent and Jones a borderline one), nor was the Carroll fiasco.
They're playing small because it's the only way to play their best lineup (you could argue Lyles over Walker). There's not really a pathway with Johnson, Gay and Vassell all being legit rotation players and Walker, who they're prioritizing at the moment. Also, Walker only really had to beat out a washed Belinelli.
ginobili was picked at the end of the 2nd round. nobody cares about 2nd round picks that go nowhere. and it would be different if a player was drafted and stashed while still playing full time elsewhere, as was the case with Bertans or Splitter
Not really. There have been foreign firsts who were stashed because of contract like Rubio and Saric. But they almost never draft guys in the first and then keep them overseas. SA did with it with Splitter, but even that was somewhat related to contracts. It's certainly isn't a common thing in modern team-building to try to keep a guy out of the NBA. SA learned that the hard way with Milutinov.
That's not evidence that SA planned on him being unplayable for years.Many of us said it at the time and it's well on it's way to coming to fruition.
The Spurs haven't been able to get second-rounders to sign long-term contracts until recently. Most of that has to do with how easy it is to make in to the NBA from the g-league and the lessening stigma toward Americans playing overseas. Guys like DeShaun Thomas knew they didn't have to settle for that kind of deal and didn't. It also doesn't help that SA hadn't pick legit NBA guys with their second-rounders. Now that they're falling off record-wise they're finally once again getting access to better guys in the second round. That makes them more willing to give the multiple guaranteed years that you need to get the three or four years.Metu getting 2 guaranteed years was not out of the Spurs playbook
People were high on him because He made some nice things during the scrimmage.
Here, in Europe, Scouts had a different vision. He's lazy, no motor, no effort.... Bad D... They did not like him so much.
I don't know why spurs were so high on him after scouting him.
They do. The trend lately though is that the players are pushing to come over immediately, even when they're not ready to play in the NBA.
I conceded there was no evidence, just like you have none to the contrary.
True.
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