Lowe: Someone in league texted me and said there's a little bit of buzz about 2 for 11 + Aldridge

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i'm ready.

I appreciate the balls of it but....yuck.

[Chinook]

Philly MIGHT swap Harris for Wiggins, but they aren't going to swap Horford and deal with a much worse player on a worse deal. Basically take Richardson out or add Gay and replace Al with Toby, and I think it works for Philly. Dunno if it'd work for SA, but I also don't think they'd value Richardson too highly if they don't have other win-now players on their roster. I doubt they're looking at Josh as a max player, (since they really should not) and that's basically what they'd have to see in him to guarantee that they'd be able to keep him.

[Dhbsr555]

I don’t want horford he’s worse than Aldridge the idea is to get younger build toward the future

[poopbox]

Under no cir stances does this team need to add all Hortford in any type of deal... he is only a year younger than LMA...and the main reason why LMA is even in trade talks is because he is to old to play with our current young players...

[Dhbsr555]

What do y’all think about trading dd and mills for Boston 3 first round picks

[rankingtear]

What do y’all think about trading dd and mills for Boston 3 first round picks

The trade machine says it does not work.

[gambit1990]

I appreciate the balls of it but....yuck.

it'd be really cool tbh... bev, PG, montrezl, looney... + white, lonnie, keldon... + #2 pick

you avoid tanking to get a high pick... and you get an all star in PG.

it'd be a real young defensive team.

[NASpurs]

Thank God for the bubble. Seems like it worked to get PATFO at least “active” when they seem dormant most of the time. When a key piece like Bryn Forbes sat it out, it had to make you wonder if something was up.

[cd021]

Maybe the Spurs could do a three team deal with Golden State and The Lakers:

Spurs Get: #2 pick, Wiggins, Kuzma

Lakers Get: DeMar DeRozan

Golden State Gets: Aldridge and Danny Green and the 28th pick.

[cjw]

Maybe the Spurs could do a three team deal with Golden State and The Lakers:

Spurs Get: #2 pick, Wiggins, Kuzma

Lakers Get: DeMar DeRozan

Golden State Gets: Aldridge and Danny Green and the 28th pick.

No thanks. (1) You don’t trade the best two players and come back from it with an underperforming guy that just got maxed out, an up and down guy heading into the last year of his rookie deal, with only the #2 pick to show for it and (2) why are the Lakers and Warriors going to help each other out? Though guess Spurs could always reroute assets back to GS.

I don’t even think it works in the trade machine for either LAL or GSW.

[exstatic]

This is on point, and why it makes me angry to think that Spurs could get low-balled in this deal. GSW needs someone like LMA much more than the Spurs need #2, which they can always tank for, not to mention they'd be dumping Wiggins along the way. I wouldn't include #11 on the deal and I hope the Spurs don't either.

GS will be able to keep LMA if they ring. We will not. He’s already said he wants to return to Portland to finish, and if not traded, that means next summer. He walks for nothing, or a ty S&T for ending contracts. Tanking also hasn’t proven to be a good strategy, since the NBA flattened the odds the last two drafts. Of the eight total draw spots, four per draft, five teams from outside the top four have jumped in. Even teams outside the top four are getting ed, like NY getting knocked back from 6 to 8 this year. Do you know how to avoid that? You sign a top FA five years ago, get 4 AS seasons and two All NBA seasons out of him, and have a team offer you #2 for him at the age of 35. That’s how you do it.

[rankingtear]

No thanks. (1) You don’t trade the best two players and come back from it with an underperforming guy that just got maxed out, an up and down guy heading into the last year of his rookie deal, with only the #2 pick to show for it and (2) why are the Lakers and Warriors going to help each other out? Though guess Spurs could always reroute assets back to GS.

I don’t even think it works in the trade machine for either LAL or GSW.

Good point.

[exstatic]

Maybe the Spurs could do a three team deal with Golden State and The Lakers:

Spurs Get: #2 pick, Wiggins, Kuzma

Lakers Get: DeMar DeRozan

Golden State Gets: Aldridge and Danny Green and the 28th pick.

GS and the LAL are not going to cooperate on a trade.

[Kurgan]

Every off-season since the Kawhi trade should tell you that the Spurs front office is horrible at anything that doesn't involve drafting. Spurs fans are going to be mad or underwhelmed when Wright ends up making another bad trade. Go in with low expectations and you won't be disappointed next Wednesday.

[Chinook]

GS and the LAL are not going to cooperate on a trade.

They don't have to.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Every off-season since the Kawhi trade should tell you that the Spurs front office is horrible at anything that doesn't involve drafting. Spurs fans are going to be mad or underwhelmed when Wright ends up making another bad trade. Go in with low expectations and you won't be disappointed next Wednesday.

When players do not honor the commitments they make and there are no repercussions on the player it is difficult to hold the FO accountable for that. , Klutch fired Morris as a client after he reneged. So would you have forgone the chance to sign Morris who appeared to be exactly what we needed? They were doing business just like every other team in the NBA. It is unfortunate for the Spurs that they were dealing with 2 such low-character individuals in the past 2 years. Obviously they trade Bertans for nothing. Even the Carroll deal was originally only 2 years with a 2nd year partial if I recall correctly. They had sign him under the MLE once the Morris signing was thought to be a done deal which requires a minimum of a 3 year contract.

[Kurgan]

When players do not honor the commitments they make and there are no repercussions on the player it is difficult to hold the FO accountable for that. , Klutch fired Morris as a client after he reneged. So would you have forgone the chance to sign Morris who appeared to be exactly what we needed? They were doing business just like every other team in the NBA. It is unfortunate for the Spurs that they were dealing with 2 such low-character individuals in the past 2 years. Obviously they trade Bertans for nothing. Even the Carroll deal was originally only 2 years with a 2nd year partial if I recall correctly. They had sign him under the MLE once the Morris signing was thought to be a done deal which requires a minimum of a 3 year contract.

They undervalued Bertans and overvalued Carroll. That's on the front office. Anybody that watched Carroll on the Nets in 2019 knew he was a questionable pickup.

Also, if the Spurs are frequently getting burned by low-character individuals that says something's wrong with the FO.

[Sugus]

The point is, the Warriors would know the Spurs are more than likely adverse and that this would be the apex of the value they could possibly hope to attain for Aldridge or DeRozan.

What's the Spurs alternative for Aldridge? Horford, 21, 34 (3-way)? Olynyk and 20? Ariza, Hood, lottery protected future 1st? Or lose him for nothing next off season.

Sure, the Warriors can either wait or make a different trade.

I don't buy for a second that Wright would have the autonomy to make the final call on a trade of this magnitude. He'd likely do the legwork.

You're right on Wright. At the end of the day, no trade is getting done without Pop and RC's stamp of approval.

But I don't buy the GS high ground. Spurs have other options, as you mentioned (whether they're better or worse is TBD, the fact is that they do) and should come into the bargaining table explicitly mentioning it. Warriors on the other hand, reportedly have failed to garner interest from other teams on #2 since they directly want Wiggins attached to said pick, and little teams have the cap flexibility to take him on. Warriors would be in a very dire financial situation if they ended up keeping both Wigs and #2, and every piece of their championship core. Spurs have leverage here, IF it's true as reported that Warriors are whiffing out on other trade partners.

But, to be real, this is all fan-side optics. At the end of the day, this is what I'd hope the Spurs would be saying at the table with GS's GM. It's yet to be seen how good of a trader this new GM is (in conjunction with RC & Pop), so I don't want to get my hopes too far up, tbh.

[buttsR4rebounding]

They undervalued Bertans and overvalued Carroll. That's on the front office. Anybody that watched Carroll on the Nets in 2019 knew he was a questionable pickup.

Also, if the Spurs are frequently getting burned by low-character individuals that says something's wrong with the FO.

No. They valued Morris over Bertans. And if they weren’t forced to use the MLE on Carrol and had made the original deal no one would be ing. Ah, but then you wouldn’t be able to post.

[cd021]

No thanks. (1) You don’t trade the best two players and come back from it with an underperforming guy that just got maxed out, an up and down guy heading into the last year of his rookie deal, with only the #2 pick to show for it and (2) why are the Lakers and Warriors going to help each other out? Though guess Spurs could always reroute assets back to GS.

I don’t even think it works in the trade machine for either LAL or GSW.

The trade does work in trade machine. Spurs get the number 2 overall pick, and keep the 11th pick in a deal for two expiring contracts that aren't in their plans. That's what rebuilding teams do, they trade away their best players, and take on salary for picks.

Fair point that Golden State and LA might not want to deal with each other, then again. The Lakers are essentially trading 28, Kuzma and Green for DeRozan while Golden State receives Green and the 28th pick. Golden State getting Green improves their team while DeRozan improves the Lakers, they may just do it and take their chances.

[Sugus]

GS will be able to keep LMA if they ring. We will not. He’s already said he wants to return to Portland to finish, and if not traded, that means next summer. He walks for nothing, or a ty S&T for ending contracts. Tanking also hasn’t proven to be a good strategy, since the NBA flattened the odds the last two drafts. Of the eight total draw spots, four per draft, five teams from outside the top four have jumped in. Even teams outside the top four are getting ed, like NY getting knocked back from 6 to 8 this year. Do you know how to avoid that? You sign a top FA five years ago, get 4 AS seasons and two All NBA seasons out of him, and have a team offer you #2 for him at the age of 35. That’s how you do it.

For sure LMA would re-sign if they ring, it should be a strong point for Spurs negotiation. All I'm saying is, the Warriors need LMA much more than the Spurs need #2. Is tanking worse statistically now, with flattened odds? For sure. But when you're bargaining on a deal, you're not gonna have your bluff called like that, unless the other party wants no negotiation to happen. If GS tells RC/Wright "well, good luck tanking for another #2", we leave the table and they get no more rings, coming into the season with a gaping hole at C and no hopes of getting over the Lakers. That is our leverage (well, that and the fact that we're one of, if not the only team in the league that would willingly accommodate Wiggins in that deal).

As I said though, I'm still not sold on our new GM having the dealing prowess to win us this trade. We'll see soon enough, but I'm starting to get nervous about it.

[JuneJive]

They could deal LMA to Boston.

Fills their need and they have picks to burn.

[cd021]

GS and the LAL are not going to cooperate on a trade.

I see why they wouldn't, then again, they wouldn't be directly trading with one another. The Lakers would ship Kuzma, Green and 28th out with Green and the 28th being rerouted to GSW. Spurs ship DeRozan to the Lakers and GSW ships Wiggins and the #2 pick to the Spurs.

Both the Lakers and Warriors would get better in that trade while the Spurs get the number 2 pick, add Kuzma, and keep their own pick. There's reasons for all three teams to do that trade.

[cd021]

They could deal LMA to Boston.

Fills their need and they have picks to burn.

Sounds like their trying to trade up into the lottery so they can package it in a deal for Holiday.

[Drom John]

FiveThirtyEight Raptor

LaMarcus Aldridge -0.7 Offense, +0.8 Defense, +0.1 Net 2.5 WAR
Aldridge's value was on defense, and defense against Jokic and Davis is what the Warriors want.

Andrew Wiggins +0.5 Offense, -2.1 Defense, -1.5 Net, 1.2 WAR

2019 #2 Ja Morant +0.4 Offense, -1.5 Defense, -1.1 Net, 1.8 WAR

Offense and Defense are compared to NBA Average,
Wins above replacement is compared to the 391st best player in the NBA. 39 players were tied at 391 including Chimezie Metu.