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I think Kidd said afterwards he had no idea of the trade till after it happened.
Darn, Kidd should really consider going over to the Knicks. The Mavericks screwed him over by trading Luka (I doubt Kidd gave his permission for them to do it), so he should consider taking that Knicks job. If the Knicks can somehow get Giannis (do the Knicks even have the assets needed?), he should just bolt immediately. Dallas never showed him any loyalty if they didn't even ask him about trading Luka. If Kidd was in on it, though, disregard what I said.
I think Kidd said afterwards he had no idea of the trade till after it happened.
That's what I remember him saying. Not sure how true it is, but if it is then I feel he can leave without any backlash. Question is, does he want the Knicks job if they can't get Giannis?
Last edited by Ice009; 06-06-2025 at 02:52 PM.
Still think he ends up in Houston. Since the Bucks don't control a lot of their picks they need a fast track rebuild so a Sengun package makes sense since he's only 23 next season instead say 30 like KAT.
Sengun, Whitmore, the 10 and and a lightly protected future first should get it done.
Sengun has equal value of three unprotected firsts given his age (23 next season), five year contract and production.
As we saw from the Spurs/T-Wolves deal last draft the 10 in this years draft has equal value of one unprotected first.
Whitmore's been very promising in limited minutes. I'll give him the value of a top 10 protected first plus the future first will be top 5 protected in 2031.
Bucks add Sengun, Whitmore plus whoever they take at 10. Fast track rebuild.
Oh No!
^ whitmore is trash.
Sengun is not worth 3 unprotected picks (points for a nice troll though).. there's no way the Bucks would take that.
He’ll be 23 next season. He’s a 20/10 big man shooting 50% for his career with very good defensive metrics and a five year contract. Yes he’s worth three firsts all unprotected.
No way Sengun is worth three unprotected firsts. If the Rockets could get that kind of haul for him he would have been out the door already.
The Bucks will have to find some way to get control of their drafts back from the Pelicans or Blazers. Good luck.
He is worth. Easy.
The two things you really want from a big are floor spacing and rim protection. Sengün provides neither. He’s a pudgy, slightly taller Diaw, a connecting big.
22 year old Sengun advanced stats.
WS Per 48: 166
Total Win Share: 8.3
BPM: 4.4
VORP: 3.9
ORtg:116
DRtg: 108
On/Off: +23 (not a typo, Rockets were -20 points worse on defense with Sengun off the floor.)
Bucks would just say no to that offer and keep Giannis. They are going to get at least 2 young players, like Sheppard and Jabari and they are going to get multiple unprotected draft picks. Unlike the Suns and Durant, the Bucks don't absolutely need to trade Giannis. So they will only do it for a haul. Suns are in the second apron and they won't have a prayer of making the playoffs. They have to trade Durant and get under the second apron. They are over a barrel.
No way do you favor Sheppard or Smith over Sengun. Sheppard looked over matched in his rookie season and Smith is 43% career shooter entering his fourth year. Sengun is the big ticket thats movable since him and Giannis are both big men.
Well, they would need to send more players than Sheppard and Jabari, if only for salary, but they are getting at least two young players and probably Segun and someone else. But they will get draft picks galore or they'll just keep Giannis. They have no pressure to trade Giannis other than if the wait too long they may not get the haul they want. But it's probably worth it to make the playoffs in the east every year and lose in the first round over taking a bad deal and sucking and still not having your own picks.
This is Giannis with 3 years left on his contract we're talking about.
There's absolutely no chance he gets traded without other team's best young player going Bucks way.
Rockets can't get the trade done without Amen and they obviously won't trade him.
The Bucks regaining control over their picks is a pipe dream. They need a fast tracked rebuild like Sengun, the 10 and the Bucks pick of Whitemore/Smith/Sheppard.
If Houston gets Giannis Spurs fans want the price to be back breaking for the Rockets either now or later. Problem is that Sengun is very valuable and plays the same position as Giannis which makes him movable.
Like it or not the Bucks and Rockets are a match made asset heaven.
They're absolutely not, even if Sengun is moved.
As I said, Rockets are not getting Giannis without giving up Amen, but even if we go with that assumption, how would you play two of them together?
Wouldn't work. Even if they tried, they'd need 3 elite shooters around them.
This season Brooks was the best 3pt shooter on the Rockets, enough said.
They'd have to get a point guard who's a great shooter, an an elite stretch big.
And then some more shooters for the bench.
Booker is the player that fits this Rockets roster perfectly, but they're not dumb to give Suns their picks back.
Again you want the price for Houston to be back breaking now or later but Sengun and the 10 makes a Giannis deal very palatable for Houston.
It absolutely does not, it's Giannis we're talking about.
That deal probably doesn't even get them Booker.
No, I disagree. Bucks have Giannis for what 3 years. They don't need to trade him and they can wait until someone comes with a king's ransom offer. No way are they getting less than a superstar haul for their superstar player.
Why would you quote my post and say you disagree when I was the one saying Rockets aren't getting Giannis without Amen going the other way.
Crazy at how much people are under valuing a 22 year old big man who averaged 20/10 on 50% who made big strides on defense over the past two years with five years left on his current deal.
Sengun, 10th pick, Bucks choice of Shep/Whitmore/Smith plus a lightly protected or unprotected first should be very close.
Double posting these stats because 22 year olds with these kinda numbers dont grow on trees.
22 year old Sengun advanced stats.
WS Per 48: 166
Total Win Share: 8.3
BPM: 4.4
VORP: 3.9
ORtg:116
DRtg: 108
On/Off: +23 (not a typo, Rockets were -20 points worse on defense with Sengun off the floor.)
The most important trait for modern bigs is rim protection. Sengun offers none.
He also can't shoot.
Sabonis has been averaging 19/13/6 on great efficency for 6 years now and he's useless in the playoffs.
Giannis is the second best player in the league, Sengun won't ever be even close to him.
Nothing special in this draft.10th pick
We 're looking at 2 players who can't make the rotation and a 20mpg bench player on a first round exit team as great assets?Bucks choice of Shep/Whitmore/Smith
plus a lightly protected or unprotected first should be very close
Giannis would be the best player who got traded in 50 years, you're not getting him for an average all-star player package.
It's either Amen or no deal.
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