Official Referee Whining Thread (I have merged over 10 threads here)

[SPARKY]

Mark Cuban has used poor foul calls as a rallying cry for Dallas fans since he took over the team. Is he off base?

[SpursGo25]

Same thing alot of mavs fans said after game 1, that works both ways buddy....

OK. So then the refs have called 3 straight horrible games. WHY ARE THEY STILL OFFICIATING?? They have been calling horrible games for years. WHY are they still there? I personally know about 15 to 20 refs including myself that can do a better job than that. I personally know 2 to 3 college refs that I know do a better job than that. If a ref is intimidated by a player or crowd, he is a bad ref who should not be an official. Period. You dont fly a jet if you get motion sickness now do you??

[Mavs_man_41]

i am???

no, i want u to admit that THE SPURS WERE OUTPLAYED NO MATTER WHAT. Then ill believe that u arent making excuses.

[Mavs_man_41]

OK. So then the refs have called 3 straight horrible games. WHY ARE THEY STILL OFFICIATING?? They have been calling horrible games for years. WHY are they still there? I personally know about 15 to 20 refs including myself that can do a better job than that. I personally know 2 to 3 college refs that I know do a better job than that. If a ref is intimidated by a player or crowd, he is a bad ref who should not be an official. Period. You dont fly a jet if you get motion sickness now do you??

youre only mad because the spurs lost. If they had won you wouldnt be saying anything about the officiating. At least i have the balls to say may the best team win. No matter what happens i am not blaming the officiating.

[SpursGo25]

Look, its no secret that the NBA refs are the worse of any sport out there....

Theres no conspiracy in the NBA. The fact is that the refs in the NBA just suck ass...

The HUGE difference between NBA refs and any other sports' refs is that the refs in the NBA try to influence the game. Thats why you always have commentators saying stuff like "well thats the way the games been called all night" and "the players need to adjust to the calls" The players should NEVER have to adjust to calls!!!!!! B/C the calls should be consistant, the rules don't fluxuate so why do the refs???

Then you have refs like Bavetta and Joey Crawford who have their heads so much up their own ass, they let their egos get in the way of making the correct calls.


Bottom line is that the refs job is to call the game, not influance it in any way

So then if you recognize that the refs are horrible and you know that the NBA does NOTHING to try to replace them and get better, then how can you say for sure that there is no agenda or conspiracy by the league? Wouldnt a legit league get rid of bad officials and try to obtain good ones until they do?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

And those refs were punished and the NFL officially apologized for that game. Those refs wont be on the Super Bowl again. See, the NFL actually recognizes when their refs do a bad job and tries like to make sure it doesnt happen again. The NBA keeps letting bad refs get worse and never makes a change. Your argument holds no water here. There is a big difference between the NFL and NBA.

OK now you are just making up...

Two days after the Steelers beat the Seahawks, 21-10, in the NFL le game, the league said Tuesday that the game was "properly officiated."

"Including, as in most NFL games, some tight plays that produced disagreement about the calls made by the officials," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said in a statement.

http://www.wzzm13.com/sports/pro_foo...?storyid=50273

[SPARKY]

Dallas fans are placing too much emphasis on squeaking out the 2 point win against a Spurs team without Tim Duncan on the court for the last couple of minutes.

[whottt]

And I'm not really saying the officiating is why we lost tonight...I mean we had a chance to win it till Harris broke up that play. That was our bad.

But there are 5 games I have seen in the last 5 years where the officiating did decide the outcome of the game...

Sac VS LA game 6 2002(Bavetta). Rockets VS Mavs game 5 2005(Salvatore calls the ball off Jon Barry). Lakers VS Spurs game 5 2004(.04, the rule book is clear on this rule). Lakers VS Spurs game 4 2003(Salvatore fouls David Robinson out in 12 minutes of play). And Game 2 of this series, where there were about 5 calls on Spurs players getting hit in the face or shoved, I mean the Spurs got called for the fouls...Not to mention the 10 fouls in 45 seconds flurry.

I can't think of a single case where the officiating decided the actual final game of a series...but there's no doubt that it has cost some games. And there is also no doubt that big markets tend to be the benficiaries of these horribly called games.


Anyway...Sac could have won it in game 7 but choked at the FT line...The Rockets had 2 more games to win their series, the Spurs didn't have to lay down in game 6 VS LA...and in 03 they won anyway...

But damned...sometimes fans have a right to . I don't think tonights game was as badly officiated as game 2...and we had a chance to win it...

But what bothers me about the officiating in this series...is that we haven't gotten Salvator or Bavetta yet...the culprits in 99% of the ref decided games I have seen.


I have never seen a Joey Crawford game reffed as tily as tonights was...it's distubring to me. I expect it when Salvatore or Bavetta reffing...I pretty much chalk up any Bavetta reffed game as a Spurs loss...


I can only hope we get them in the same game...preferably game 6.

[SA210]

I'm going to bed and just wanted to say one more time,

The Refs Suck!!!

[SPARKY]

In general, I don't look to the officiating, but losing your franchise on a BS call late is absurd.

[Tek_XX]

So then if you recognize that the refs are horrible and you know that the NBA does NOTHING to try to replace them and get better, then how can you say for sure that there is no agenda or conspiracy by the league? Wouldnt a legit league get rid of bad officials and try to obtain good ones until they do?

i'm sure they have a union, Javie and his people aren't going anywhere.

[gospursgojas]

So then if you recognize that the refs are horrible and you know that the NBA does NOTHING to try to replace them and get better, then how can you say for sure that there is no agenda or conspiracy by the league? Wouldnt a legit league get rid of bad officials and try to obtain good ones until they do?

I don't think the NBA has a problem with the refs, therefore they won't try to fix thier officiating problem

[SpursGo25]

youre only mad because the spurs lost. If they had won you wouldnt be saying anything about the officiating. At least i have the balls to say may the best team win. No matter what happens i am not blaming the officiating.

Nice to know you have balls. That's not what i'm talking about. I already said that this isnt about the Spurs and that the Mavs, Pistons, etc. have gotten screwed by bad officiating as well. This is about one thing:

Why are bad officials retained by the NBA and not replaced? There are plenty of good officials out there, and the NBA does not seek to better the officiating crew. Why is that? Explain that?



I know you cant, because there is no way to explain that other than the NBA brass is content with the horrible job the refs do because the NBA brass wants them to do it. If the NBA wanted fairly called games then these refs would have been out a long time ago. You are getting pissed because you know I am right and are now resorting to accusations of being a homer and making references to your balls. Answer my question with a legitimate answer and stop trying to dodge the question mavs man 41

[SpursGo25]

I don't think the NBA has a problem with the refs, therefore they won't try to fix thier officiating problem

Exactly. The NBA doesnt have a problem with the refs because the refs are doing what the NBA wants them to do. If the NBA wanted refs that called consistent, fair games then they would get them.

[SpursGo25]

And I'm not really saying the officiating is why we lost tonight...I mean we had a chance to win it till Harris broke up that play. That was our bad.

But there are 5 games I have seen in the last 5 years where the officiating did decide the outcome of the game...

Sac VS LA game 6 2002(Bavetta). Rockets VS Mavs game 5 2005(Salvatore calls the ball off Jon Barry). Lakers VS Spurs game 5 2004(.04, the rule book is clear on this rule). Lakers VS Spurs game 4 2003(Salvatore fouls David Robinson out in 12 minutes of play). And Game 2 of this series, where there were about 5 calls on Spurs players getting hit in the face or shoved, I mean the Spurs got called for the fouls...Not to mention the 10 fouls in 45 seconds flurry.

I can't think of a single case where the officiating decided the actual final game of a series...but there's no doubt that it has cost some games. And there is also no doubt that big markets tend to be the benficiaries of these horribly called games.


Anyway...Sac could have won it in game 7 but choked at the FT line...The Rockets had 2 more games to win their series, the Spurs didn't have to lay down in game 6 VS LA...and in 03 they won anyway...

But damned...sometimes fans have a right to . I don't think tonights game was as badly officiated as game 2...and we had a chance to win it...

But what bothers me about the officiating in this series...is that we haven't gotten Salvator or Bavetta yet...the culprits in 99% of the ref decided games I have seen.


I have never seen a Joey Crawford game reffed as tily as tonights was...it's distubring to me. I expect it when Salvatore or Bavetta reffing...I pretty much chalk up any Bavetta reffed game as a Spurs loss...


I can only hope we get them in the same game...preferably game 6.

Why should any fan NOT want a specific official? Because they suck. And they shouldnt be officiating and the NBA wont get rid of them. And the Union thing... BS. No union can fight the horrible level of incompetence by the officials in the NBA. IF the NBA wanted to get rid of these horrible officials they could and would.

[whottt]

Javie isn't usually a bad ref...he's a hardass. Joey Crawford is probably the second best ref in the NBA, but he's also hardass...Still you usually don't feel like you got screwed when he refs, the same goes for Javie...that's why tonights game and game 2 were so disturbing. If the good refs are ing up I don't even want to think about what's going to happen when get Salvatore and Bavetta..bar none the tiest refs in the NBA.

[DaSpurs#1]

no, i want u to admit that THE SPURS WERE OUTPLAYED NO MATTER WHAT. Then ill believe that u arent making excuses.

i blame it on the refs horrible calls in teh 1st half for ditracting us, our lack of mental strength to not let it bother us, our lack of defence agaisnt mavs, pops poor judgement,and those gay clickers they gave us those cant distract sh*t... as for yall out playing us, no!!! excuses, i dont call those excuses i call those reasons(except the refs bad calls and the clickers )

underlined are the reasons, not excuses... just like the reason yall lost game1 is cuzz of crackhouse's decision, thats not an excuses thats a reason

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

And I'm not really saying the officiating is why we lost tonight...I mean we had a chance to win it till Harris broke up that play. That was our bad.

But there are 5 games I have seen in the last 5 years where the officiating did decide the outcome of the game...

Sac VS LA game 6 2002(Bavetta). Rockets VS Mavs game 5 2005(Salvatore calls the ball off Jon Barry). Lakers VS Spurs game 5 2004(.04, the rule book is clear on this rule). Lakers VS Spurs game 4 2003(Salvatore fouls David Robinson out in 12 minutes of play). And Game 2 of this series, where there were about 5 calls on Spurs players getting hit in the face or shoved, I mean the Spurs got called for the fouls...Not to mention the 10 fouls in 45 seconds flurry.

I can't think of a single case where the officiating decided the actual final game of a series...but there's no doubt that it has cost some games. And there is also no doubt that big markets tend to be the benficiaries of these horribly called games.


Anyway...Sac could have won it in game 7 but choked at the FT line...The Rockets had 2 more games to win their series, the Spurs didn't have to lay down in game 6 VS LA...and in 03 they won anyway...

But damned...sometimes fans have a right to . I don't think tonights game was as badly officiated as game 2...and we had a chance to win it...

But what bothers me about the officiating in this series...is that we haven't gotten Salvator or Bavetta yet...the culprits in 99% of the ref decided games I have seen.


I have never seen a Joey Crawford game reffed as tily as tonights was...it's distubring to me. I expect it when Salvatore or Bavetta reffing...I pretty much chalk up any Bavetta reffed game as a Spurs loss...


I can only hope we get them in the same game...preferably game 6.

I can think of one, the Phantom Foul called on Laimbeer in '88.

[Tek_XX]

Javie isn't usually a bad ref...he's a hardass. Joey Crawford is probably the second best ref in the NBA, but he's also hardass...Still you usually don't feel like you got screwed when he refs, the same goes for Javie...that's why tonights game and game 2 were so disturbing. If the good refs are ing up I don't even want to think about what's going to happen when get Salvatore and Bavetta..bar none the tiest refs in the NBA.

They all like to think their hardasses

[DaSpurs#1]

youre only mad because the spurs lost. If they had won you wouldnt be saying anything about the officiating. At least i have the balls to say may the best team win. No matter what happens i am not blaming the officiating.

nope actuelly i'de still be making comments about the bad officiating...

[SpursGo25]

These are just games you people can think of. This happens all the time and many times you dont recall it. The Suns got absoultely assaulted by the refs in games 3 and 4 against the Lakers. Lebron is allowed to take 4 steps before making a game winning lay up. The officiating IS horrible no matter how much anyone wants to believe otherwise. If I called games here in Tex. like these officials do I would have been fired long ago. Guaranteed.

[gospursgojas]

Nice to know you have balls. That's not what i'm talking about. I already said that this isnt about the Spurs and that the Mavs, Pistons, etc. have gotten screwed by bad officiating as well. This is about one thing:

Why are bad officials retained by the NBA and not replaced? There are plenty of good officials out there, and the NBA does not seek to better the officiating crew. Why is that? Explain that?



I know you cant, because there is no way to explain that other than the NBA brass is content with the horrible job the refs do because the NBA brass wants them to do it. If the NBA wanted fairly called games then these refs would have been out a long time ago. You are getting pissed because you know I am right and are now resorting to accusations of being a homer and making references to your balls. Answer my question with a legitimate answer and stop trying to dodge the question mavs man 41

Ok, the best answer I can give you (P.S I agree with you that the NBA has a huge officiating problem) is that the NBA, since Stern took over, has drifted futher away from the actual game, and closer to what makes them money.

Im not saying they are turning into the WWE, they still try to keep as much integrity in the game as they can, but they also knows what sells. And thats face paced 100 point games with Kobe, and Lebron going off. So the Kobes and Lebrons and "superstars" of the league are going to get their calls/no-calls.

I think that if the game is going to be called as it should without "superstar" treatment, than the Obertos and Jake Voshkels, and "nobodys" of the league should get the same calls as the "superstars".

If star treatment is a conspiracy that I guess the NBA is guilty

[Tek_XX]

how does dirk get every single ticky tack call, seems like duncan has to get raped before they'll even think about giving him a call.

[SpursGo25]

Ok, the best answer I can give you (P.S I agree with you that the NBA has a huge officiating problem) is that the NBA, since Stern took over, has drifted futher away from the actual game, and closer to what makes them money.

Im not saying they are turning into the WWE, they still try to keep as much integrity in the game as they can, but they also knows what sells. And thats face paced 100 point games with Kobe, and Lebron going off. So the Kobes and Lebrons and "superstars" of the league are going to get their calls/no-calls.

I think that if the game is going to be called as it should without "superstar" treatment, than the Obertos and Jake Voshkels, and "nobodys" of the league should get the same calls as the "superstars".

If star treatment is a conspiracy that I guess the NBA is guilty

You're right. The NBA calls games for Stars (especially stars of big market teams) differently to make money. And that is wrong. That is biased, and it is illegal. That doesnt happen in other pro sports like it does in the NBA. That is what my whole point is here, that the NBA doesnt want a fair game. They want the teams to win that make them the most money, even if that means getting games like games 2 and 3 of this series where the officials are obviously biased.

[Mavs_man_41]

i blame it on the refs horrible calls in teh 1st half for ditracting us, our lack of mental strength to not let it bother us, our lack of defence agaisnt mavs, pops poor judgement,and those gay clickers they gave us those cant distract sh*t... as for yall out playing us, no!!! excuses, i dont call those excuses i call those reasons(except the refs bad calls and the clickers )

underlined are the reasons, not excuses... just like the reason yall lost game1 is cuzz of crackhouse's decision, thats not an excuses thats a reason

OMG anybody can see that the spurs got ouplayed regardless in game 2, i cant believe you just said that.