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and they´ll problably trade him for someone cheaper tham beno.....
Walter Herrmann:18 pts(8/13) in 20 mins vs.Golden State/5 pts in
6 mins.(2/2 Fg) vs.Nuggets win.
Not bad for a roockie huhh????
what about beno for Herrmann,straight up.??????
Last edited by ArgSpursFan; 01-30-2007 at 08:28 AM.
and they´ll problably trade him for someone cheaper tham beno.....
just an additional quickthought about a potential Sonics trade.
Sonics should like our 2nd round picks.
while they usually blow their first rounders (or at least pass on much better players still on the board) the somehow manged to use their second rounders like few other teams did in the past:
Rashard Lewis
Bobby Simmons
Earl Watson
Flip Murray
Willie Greene
Mickael Gelabale
(Roberts and Halprin might have to be added to this list soon)
even if some of them have been traded immediatly, this is quite a nice strike rate for 2nd round picks.
if I was the Sonics I would trade all my 1st rounders for 2nd rounders
I like this one. Wilks contract is guaranteed (non guaranteed contracts become guaranteed for the reminder of the season on january 10th) and Spurs don't have the roster spot to take him, they must waive someone before doing this trade. With a third team taking Wilks, it's a good trade but I wonder if Spurs shouldn't include Barry (maybe going to a third team) if they do a trade for Wilkins : adding Wilkins to the roster without unloading Barry will create a logjam at SG/SF and cost a lot of money.
Gelabale isn't older than some college seniors and don't forget that he has spend his alst year in Spain in the doghouse. He wasn't a HS guy but he wasn't too a star in europe. Wilkins hasn't really improvec since his rookie year, maybe he isn't good enough to play a role for a contending team.
He has scored most of his point during the garbage time, not really significant. Herrmann has had a disapointing rookie season so far.
he hasnt had a chance either dude. he can do better tham what he´s being doing so far.
and right now the spurs have players that even on garbage time still suck like: Beno,Vaughn or Williams.
I´d reather have a player that performes and delivers good Basketball on garbarge time tham a player who sucks all the time.
And do you think that a coach chose ramdomly who will play or who won't play ?
Herrmann hasn't played more because he hasn't been good enough in practice and when has was on the court.
Maybe he has some difficulties to adapt to nba style, maybe he is a bad fit with Charlotte but maybe he isn't good enough to play in nba.
Beno and Vaughn ar PGs, do you want to play Herrmann at PG ?
I have never said that Spurs shouldn't trade a player like Williams for Herrmann. In fact this is a trade that make a lot of sense for Spurs (mainly for financial reasons).
Herrmann sucks this year and it's not some garbage time that will change that.
Hermann is from Argentina. That means he'll be an NBA All-Star.
you don´t really have to trade a PG for another PG.if you need a SF ,and need to get rid of one of your backups PGs you just do it.cause the other team may need a PG in exchange for the SF you are getting.
vaughn for Herrmann,straight up.
If I really need a SF, I will go after a better one than Herrmann.
I can't imagine spurstalk's state if Beno is Spurs' only backup PG.
Herrmann>Bonner.
Beno=sucks
I can't imagine spurstalk's state if Beno is Spurs' only backup PG.
vaughn=sucks even WORSE
The "money" trade involving Hermann would be him + Knight for Williams + Beno + pick, but I just don't see the Bobcats' interest in that deal...
Last edited by AFBlue; 01-30-2007 at 11:40 AM.
Saw on the ESPN rumor page that the Magic are fielding alot of calls and might look to make a smaller deal....do you think the Spurs are in the talks? Who is the most-likely candidate for a trade...Arroyo? Dooling? Hedo?
well, I just thought about this season and some adjustments that will help right now. Wilkins would for sure upgrade the perimeter defense, something that might be crucial against the Mavs and Suns.
it's right, that without any further moves the Spurs would overpay for their wing backups with Barry, Finley and Wilkins (5.5+3.1+2.9= 11.5), but there are some options in the offseason to change this.
Finley might opt out (if he wins a ring this year?), either Finley or Barry might be traded (their expiring contracts might find some takers) in a deal for a big or a backup PG. however, what I want to say: let's fix problem a first and this would mean, that Wilkins is quite an upgrade over Eric Williams and would give the Spurs more versatility to adjust to different matchups.
yes, maybe. but then we should have never aquired Elson. or Bonner. or even Devin. (Bruce?)
he has some qualities (on defense) that might work well with the Spurs and as a 20 minutes back up player, he might find his place in this team.
well, maybe it is the remembrance to this game 4 in the 2005 PO, when he tortured us on offense and defense.
Magic are in panic mode. they are 2-8 over the last ten and if the can't stop that trend they might even lose their PO spot.
the problem is: the only player, who would be a great addition for the Spurs is Ariza and the Magic won't trade him (and he is currently injured anyhow).
I don't trust Arroyo. he is a great talent, but talent also isn't the problem with Beno. Arroyo has always had problems to insert his play in a team system (Jazz, Pistons), so he would struggle with the Spurs even more.
and Doolings only quality would be a small upgrade in defense over Beno, but that's it.
Hedo? don't know. no. not for the money he makes. for half the money, maybe.
It's not only about next year.
A 5 swing rotation (Manu/Bruce/Brent/Mike/Wilkins) won't be easy to manage. You had to find PT to keep everybody involve and happy.
It will be more managable if the 5th swing agrees to get some "DNP CD" and if he can play PF in small ball lineup (a player like Khryapa). Wilkins is a bad fit for a small ball PF and has had words with Hill about his lack of PT.
I've got to admit that Dooling's 9 ppg (40% FG, 35% 3P) and 1.5 apg in 23 mpg isn't sexy.....
But it's definitely more than a "small upgrade" over Beno's 5ppg (35% FG, 25% 3P) and 2 apg in 15 mpg. So is Arroyo's 8+ ppg and 3+ apg in 20 mpg. The point is that most second and even some third string PGs in this league are outplaying Beno. Therefore, they would be upgrades.
What about one of the four young guards for Boston...a likely lottery team?
West - Starts at PG and is likely the most untouchable -- a combo guard that has it all (shoots, passes, defends)
Rondo - Slow start, but has really picked up steam lately-- poor perimeter shot, but excellent rebounder, and pass-first guy
Telfair - Started early, but has played sparingly of late -- not a great shooter, but extremely quick with good vision
Ray - Play has increased of late as energy guy off bench --primarily a SG in a PG body, but good/great shooter and athlete
Do you think any of these players could become available before the deadline, and what would they cost?
How about Carlos Delfino?
Dunno if you've brought him up yet.
He's got an expiring contract. Not too expesive (I believe he's earning 2 - 6 millions) and great player. Can play 1, 2 or 3 (his primarly position is SG) and he hasn't gotten many playing time in his years in detroit but now is having important minutes and proving to be a good player.
I forgot!
He's very young and if the spurs offer something good to detroit will likely get'im.
Pistons arent letting him go
I doubt that. Saunders has the same kind of prejudiced ideas of Carlos that Larry Brown had and maybe if Spurs offer a good deal they might agree.
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