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that shiiiiiiiitttttttttt!!!!
kay:
If the Warriors win, it'll be more overall matchups between them than Bird/Magic (not counting college) and four years in a row as opposed to 3/4.False. We didn't complain about Laker vs Celtics in the '80s.
Backhanded compliment time:
1) Never brag about getting out the East.
2) MJ never won in Magic's or Bird's primes
-20 points for giving LBJ props for doing something he's supposed to do. He better pray for a Rockets win tonight
They didn't.
He soooooooo gone:
BAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!
I would rather have Tatum OR Brown (wasn't a fan before the draft or in his first year) than Zo+Ingram+Dbust+Kuzma+Hart+Nance+Randle+Clarkson
I always hear this, but who are these West teams that would have prevented them from reaching the Finals? You guys really overvalue RS wonders like Aldridge's Blazers and the GrizzliesPlease. If he played his whole career in the West, that 9 becomes like 1 or 2.
If LeBron is in the West, he doesn't make the Finals in 2007 and 2018..I don't see any other year where his team loses..
2017? To who? Spurs without Kawhi?
2015? To the Josh Smith and Corey Brewer-led Rockets?
2014? Maybe to OKC, but LeBron's teams routinely dominated those Thunder teams
2011? The Bulls were better than any West team other than Dallas
It's an illogical argument..if he's in the West, 9 becomes 7..
because you are not very smart at valuing young talent and let biases and the teams cloud your judgment ...even Tatum who i think is going to be special is probably not worth that but ...even if u think that ...Brown is definitely not, stop being silly.
Btw do you play fantasy hoops or football i would love to rape i mean trade with you ...you are the best!!!
Last edited by Killakobe81; 05-28-2018 at 09:07 AM.
9 to 7 is not realistic neither is 9 to 2I always hear this, but who are these West teams that would have prevented them from reaching the Finals? You guys really overvalue RS wonders like Aldridge's Blazers and the Grizzlies
If LeBron is in the West, he doesn't make the Finals in 2007 and 2018..I don't see any other year where his team loses..
2017? To who? Spurs without Kawhi?
2015? To the Josh Smith and Corey Brewer-led Rockets?
2014? Maybe to OKC, but LeBron's teams routinely dominated those Thunder teams
2011? The Bulls were better than any West team other than Dallas
It's an illogical argument..if he's in the West, 9 becomes 7..
its a dumb argument but considering there is 5 finals losses with a possible 6 you can easily argue he is sitting on 5 or 4 all things bring equal ...why would he magically beat teams that beat him in the Finals?
Just this year alone he probably loses to either teambif healthy in WCF ...but looks like that wont be the case cuz Iggy is a pussy and CP3 is soft and will probably have a case of
Lebronitis...i think cavs have a chance to beat either team tbh...
but not buying he makes 7 straight in west ..maybe 4 or 5 out of the 9 ...
Look lebron is amazing no need to make up or alter history ...harlem you a good poster who loves LeBron but is normally rational why would he beat West teams like Spurs/Mavs/State he already lost to?
I agree unlikely MJ BirdTim magic Shaq etc dont drag this cavs team to a Finals ...and making 8 straight is impressive regardless if in the East ...but come, on.
Last edited by Killakobe81; 05-28-2018 at 09:07 AM.
I do, which is why i laugh at your judgment of my drafting talent
I can't even guess as to how many Finals appearances LeBron would've made had he played in the West, but he'd have his share.I always hear this, but who are these West teams that would have prevented them from reaching the Finals? You guys really overvalue RS wonders like Aldridge's Blazers and the Grizzlies
If LeBron is in the West, he doesn't make the Finals in 2007 and 2018..I don't see any other year where his team loses..
2017? To who? Spurs without Kawhi?
2015? To the Josh Smith and Corey Brewer-led Rockets?
2014? Maybe to OKC, but LeBron's teams routinely dominated those Thunder teams
2011? The Bulls were better than any West team other than Dallas
It's an illogical argument..if he's in the West, 9 becomes 7..
Also, he would be better off rings-wise no question had he been drafted by certain West teams like the Spurs or Lakers as opposed to one of the historically weakest franchises in professional sports. He has one le in 11 seasons with the Cavaliers. He'd have more if he'd spent those 11 seasons in San Antonio or LA.
So yiu think Jaylen Brown and his sometimesy jumper is worth Ingram Kuzma Zo and Randle? Even if you talking real hopps or fantasy that was dumb from a value perspective ...I do, which is why i laugh at your judgment of my drafting talent
But Tatum im all in on and why despite still being a couple notches below Leonard ...if i am Ainge i would not trade him straight up for Kiwi and have stated so before last night. Kid is only 20 and is already performing as well as Kiwi did in his first finals appearance ...sure you
lose defense but he is also cheaper and healthier.
Given the 5 final series he lost to the Western teams, it's clear that he would have made only 3 finals had he played in the West. That's kind of a simple mathematical deduction.
I'm looking at it from a 1-16 seed standpoint, which is what people have wanted this entire time..
If you think LeBron's Heat or Cavs would have lost to those teams that I named, that's just hate IMO
but thats changing what laker fan said ...he argued if he was in the west it would be 2 ...which is false, same way as saying it would be 7 instead of 9. We dont have 1-16 so that is even more of a waste of time than supposing he played in the West.I'm looking at it from a 1-16 seed standpoint, which is what people have wanted this entire time..
If you think LeBron's Heat or Cavs would have lost to those team I named, that's just hate IMO
Last edited by Killakobe81; 05-28-2018 at 09:36 AM.
If you're looking at it that way, then he would have been better off in the West
He would still have 3 rings, but his Finals record would be much better..
lets all agree that what he did this playoffs is special, almost as special as what he did in 2007. If he loses in the Finals, much like the first time it counts as a loss in his Finals record but making it there with a team Mj probably could not have carried there, is a plus, not a negative in his GOAT argument ...He still has the bad losses in 2014 and especially 2011 ...but cant expect him to turn water in to wine ...his finals record overall doesnt compare to MJ but two of his losses (if he loses in 2018) were minor miracles in spite of a weak East...If you're looking at it that way, then he would have been better off in the West
He would still have 3 rings, but his Finals record would be much better..
Well that's different from what we were arguing but ok, I'll play that game.I'm looking at it from a 1-16 seed standpoint, which is what people have wanted this entire time..
If you think LeBron's Heat or Cavs would have lost to those teams that I named, that's just hate IMO
And no, I am not hating at all. I have been saying repeatedly today that I think he's the second best of all time and he's actually making a legit case for #1. I might be underrating Kareem here, but I never got a chance to see him fully.
If you are talking about a 1-16 setting that you could argue:
2007: Cavs would have lost to more than one Western team that year.
2011: Probably they do end up beating everyone else bar the Mavs.
2014: Probably OKC beats the Heat. Wade was done as an impact player at this point.
2015: Probably the second best team again, and that was a team that lost Kyrie and Love during the playoffs.
2017: Probably second best team again.
2018: Surely both the Warriors and Rockets seem better right now.
So if we had a 1-16 setting than I would argue LBJ ends up missing the Finals in 2007, 2014 and 2018. That's six finals, just like Mike.
You know LeBron is the GOAT when people say he's supposed to drag trash like Jeff Green, Jordan Clarkson, JR Smith and Larry Nance Jr. to the Finals.Backhanded compliment time:
1) Never brag about getting out the East.
2) MJ never won in Magic's or Bird's primes
-20 points for giving LBJ props for doing something he's supposed to do. He better pray for a Rockets win tonight
agree he is creeping on Mj cuz like you i started with older but still effective Kareem...(80s)
but again no need to suppose put his exact cavs/heat teams in west with same record they still lose to Spurs/State twice, Mavs once ... and depending on records maybe that loss comes round 2 insead of conference Finals ...
i do agree with harlem he makes easy work of Blazers, Pelicans, Jazz, this years Spurs etc.
More special, imo, because of the level of compe ion he faced compared to 2007. Remember in the 2007 playoffs the Cavaliers didn't play a team with a winning record until the ECF. The Wizards and Nets teams they beat in the first two rounds each went 41-41 and the Wizards were without Gilbert Arenas and Caron Butler. This postseason LeBron went up against teams with 48, 59 and 56 wins and the Cavaliers only had HC in the first round against Indiana. So he was facing a higher caliber of compe ion than he did in 2007.
The other thing is that, say what you want about the overall talent level of the 2007 team, but it was more of a cohesive unit than this year's Cavs. Most of the principal role players on the '07 team- Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall, Damon Jones, Eric Snow, Varejao- had been together since at least the beginning of the 2005-06 season. Whereas this year's team is barely recognizable even from the beginning of the season because of all the personnel moves. It's much more of a haphazard, thrown-together unit than the '07 team was, with a much shorter time playing together- a few months as opposed to two years.
The 07-10 Cavs were rugged defensive units. They didn't have much of an offensive iden y, and it's not like LeBron helped much by often pounding the ball for 10-15 second without knowing whether to attack, shoot or pass. But defensively they were always very sound, for all of Mike Brown's faults. In 08 they came the closest to actually defeating the Celtics because they could go punch for punch on defense with them.
The 2006-08 teams were outstanding defensively. That showed up not only against the C's in '08 but in the two series against Detroit and even in the '07 Finals, outside of not being able to control Tony Parker. The Spurs scored 75 and 83 points the last two games of that series.
Then the Cavaliers over-corrected for their offensive deficiencies and got guys like Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison who couldn't guard a lamppost, and got torched by Orlando in '09 and by the Celtics in '10.
Game 7. Let's get it
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