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    Horowitz ended up being completely wrong. Can't blame him though as he did not have access to same evidence as Durham and didn't have power of grand jury to produce evidence/testimony.
    Durham didn't discover anything actionable Horowitz didn't already discover.

    Also:
    Durham, for his part, stood by the findings of the report and defended himself from Democratic criticism for the duration of the hearing. He broke with Trump on several key points, praising both Mueller and Barr, both of whom Trump has publicly decried. He also affirmed that there was “substantial evidence” of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...probe-00103006

    Is Trump completely wrong?

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    It was all bull

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    People don't generally end up in jail for "bull "... Mueller proved it was not all bull . Durham simply proved Horowitz and Mueller were correct.

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    And everyone it

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    People don't generally end up in jail for "bull "... Mueller proved it was not all bull . Durham simply proved Horowitz and Mueller were correct.
    Derp derp duuur

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    What does this mean? According to TSA, Durham had power of grand jury to produce evidence/testimony, and didn't think it was all bull .

    But you know better because?

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    Muh Russia

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    Darrin folds

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    This many years later, they're holding onto this bs.

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    This many years later, they're holding onto this bs.
    It was the GOP House that called this in.

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    It was the GOP House that called this in.
    And it was absolute bs

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    And it was absolute bs
    Russia interfered with our elections in 2016.
    Trump did NOT make plans with Russia to help win in 2016.
    Trump did appreciate and encourage Russia in its attempts.

    End of story. Sorry Daddy D.
    Lotta wrong going on in your head.

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    muh drunk Darrin

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    And it was absolute bs
    That investigation was started during the previous administration, tbh... I guess you disagree with them too

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    Drunk as a skunk.

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    Russia interfered with our elections in 2016.
    Trump did NOT make plans with Russia to help win in 2016.
    Trump did appreciate and encourage Russia in its attempts.

    End of story. Sorry Daddy D.
    Lotta wrong going on in your head.
    so manafort giving a russian intel spy polling data and hrc’s campaign strategy- so that russia could leak out info packaged with propaganda to help the trump campaign/ hurt hrc campaign

    is NOT- making plans with russia?

    trump saying to russia- “russia if you are listening…” and five hours later, russia does exactly as asked
    and then disseminates the stolen thru wikileaks/dc leaks/roger stone and other cutouts…

    while trump uses same stolen info hundreds of times in his campaign nazi rallies

    is NOT equal to making plans with russia?

    the fact that mueller was handcuffed with Barr handcuffs and not allowed to fully go after trump

    and his govt friendly conclusion in his report does not mean trump had no thing going with russia

    finally, do we know if any of our secrets were shared with russia?
    not yet

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    Durham didn't discover anything actionable Horowitz didn't already discover.
    Durham had access to evidence/testimony of what started investigation that Horowitz didn't have.

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    Durham, for his part, stood by the findings of the report and defended himself from Democratic criticism for the duration of the hearing. He broke with Trump on several key points, praising both Mueller and Barr, both of whom Trump has publicly decried. He also affirmed that there was “substantial evidence” of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...probe-00103006

    Is Trump completely wrong?
    Dumb question.

    "He broke with Trump on several key points"

    Your own quote proves Trump wasn't completely wrong.

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    People don't generally end up in jail for "bull "... Mueller proved it was not all bull . Durham simply proved Horowitz and Mueller were correct.
    Mueller didn't put anyone in jail for colluding with Russia...aka Russiagate. Mueller stated no one colluded with Russia. Durham went further and said Crossfire Hurricane was not properly predicated and should never have been opened based on the evidence they used. Darrin is correct. It was all bulll .

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    Russia interfered with our elections in 2016.
    Trump did NOT make plans with Russia to help win in 2016.
    Trump did appreciate and encourage Russia in its attempts.
    Agreed.

    End of story. Sorry Daddy D.
    Lotta wrong going on in your head.
    You left quite a bit out of the story.

    Hillary's campaign paid foreign nationals to interfere in our elections.
    Hillary's campaign paid for knowingly false information to be fed to the FBI willing to help her interfere in our elections.
    FBI completely broke protocol in opening investigation into candidate and then President Trump.
    FBI continued to repeatedly break protocol and lie to the FISC to keep investigation open into President Trump when they knew their main source was full of .

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    so manafort giving a russian intel spy polling data and hrc’s campaign strategy- so that russia could leak out info packaged with propaganda to help the trump campaign/ hurt hrc campaign

    is NOT- making plans with russia?

    trump saying to russia- “russia if you are listening…” and five hours later, russia does exactly as asked
    and then disseminates the stolen thru wikileaks/dc leaks/roger stone and other cutouts…

    while trump uses same stolen info hundreds of times in his campaign nazi rallies

    is NOT equal to making plans with russia?

    the fact that mueller was handcuffed with Barr handcuffs and not allowed to fully go after trump

    and his govt friendly conclusion in his report does not mean trump had no thing going with russia

    finally, do we know if any of our secrets were shared with russia?
    not yet
    His conclusion is that Trump did NOT collude with Russia.
    Biden can call for another investigation after he wins the election if he wants.
    And the blue team should have zero reason to not have the House and Senate behind him if Trump is the red team candidate.
    There should be no reason for the blue team to overwhelming go after a new investigation if collusion is a slam dunk.

    And spying between Russia and the US is ongoing. We know Chinese spies were at Mar a Lago. We dont know what they got out with.
    If you know Russia was given vital secrets to Russia lets see the evidence. I imagine Russia has gotten a lot more through "standard" channels just like we get from their defectors and such.

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    I'm sorry this is happening to you, TSA.

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    Agreed.


    You left quite a bit out of the story.

    Hillary's campaign paid foreign nationals to interfere in our elections.
    Hillary's campaign paid for knowingly false information to be fed to the FBI willing to help her interfere in our elections.
    FBI completely broke protocol in opening investigation into candidate and then President Trump.
    FBI continued to repeatedly break protocol and lie to the FISC to keep investigation open into President Trump when they knew their main source was full of .
    pure bull mixed with a bunch of deflections about what the FBI did. That has nothing to do with the finding of no collusion. The FBI has been exposed for very little comparatively. Its nothing new to have rogue elements. What you put up is minor league comparatively.
    Trump and his stupid ramblings beg to be investigated you fkn idiot.
    Thats why the Mar a Lago stuff should be a slam dunk if we actually get a sane jury.
    Trump outs himself. He has always asked to be investigated.

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    Drunk as a skunk.
    Its beyond obvious when he shows up on ST 20 Coors Lights deep

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    Durham had access to evidence/testimony of what started investigation that Horowitz didn't have.
    And with that power and access, he didn't discover anything actionable Horowitz didn't already discover. At the end of the day, Clinesmith was the only guilty party, something that came directly from Horowitz.

    Dumb question.

    "He broke with Trump on several key points"

    Your own quote proves Trump wasn't completely wrong.
    It's built on your premise, which I'm pointing out is indeed dumb. You're the one advancing Durham must be correct and anybody that disagrees is completely wrong (your words) because he "had access to evidence/testimony" and "have power of grand jury to produce evidence/testimony."

    So under your premise, if Durham is correct on Barr, Mueller and election interference, Trump is completely wrong on that, right?

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    Mueller didn't put anyone in jail for colluding with Russia...aka Russiagate. Mueller stated no one colluded with Russia. Durham went further and said Crossfire Hurricane was not properly predicated and should never have been opened based on the evidence they used. Darrin is correct. It was all bulll .
    Mueller certainly did put people in jail as part of his Russian interference investigation. Both him and Durham agreed that Russian interference was indeed real and had substantial evidence. So it wasn't all bull . Again, people don't go to jail for bull .

    If you want to constrict this to just collusion with Russia, that's your thing, but that wasn't merely the extent of the Mueller investigation, as you know very well.

    You're also incorrect on Durham. Durham did say a preliminary investigation should've been opened. What he disagreed with was on a full investigation.

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