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From everything I read, the Spurs attached RJ on the back end of all incoming trade proposals made for Parker. I'm sure that ended all discussions at that point. Those rival GMs probably couldn't hang up the phone fast enough.
Personally, I think there is even more urgency to get rid of RJ now. Besides the obvious pre-draft reasons, I believe it even more important now that Leonard is on board. Getting RJ out of the way would clear the path for Leonard to find quickly find his own niche with this team and to be free of RJ's shadow.
From everything I read, the Spurs attached RJ on the back end of all incoming trade proposals made for Parker. I'm sure that ended all discussions at that point. Those rival GMs probably couldn't hang up the phone fast enough.
Eh, if he's better than RJ, he's better. It's not like RJ hasn't been benched before.
You believe they were all true.So yall think the Parker rumors were all a smokescreen?
I seem to remember last summer that an entire legion of posters were certain that Tony wouldn't sign an extension based on a different set of rumors.
He wasn't. He was a small version of Michael Finley with longer arms. Finley was a great defender when he was Hill's age.
Isn't that Jaren Jackson's number?
Finley was NEVER a great defender.
Then you never saw him in Phoenix.
But if I concede your point that he was never a great defender, the comparison to George Hill is still relevant, because Hill never turned into the defender we hoped he'd be. He probably led the team in defensive lapses.
yes...and Moses Malone's #. Rebounding machine.
At this point I can't imagine Jefferson starting again. The Spurs don't want him. He knows it. Even yellow dog knows it. His role will be reduced if he can't be dumped. Guaranteed opinion.
I don't see why trading one of two legitimate 3s on the roster is a necessity.
If it can free up some room for a big then sure but absent that meh to the at all costs thing.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...iform-numbers/No. 2
Linton Townes 1985
Reggie Williams 1990
Larry Smith 1992-93
Moses Malone 1994
Jaren Jackson 1997-2001
Mark Bryant 2001-02
Nazr Mohammed 2005-06
Melvin Ely 2007
Marcus Williams 2009
Garrett Temple 2010
No. 5
Billy Paultz 1975-80, 1983
Donald Royal 1991-92
Sam Mack 1992-93
Dell Demps 1995-96
Derrick Dial 2000-01
Charles Smith 2001-02
Anthony Goldwire 2002
Robert Horry 2003-08
Ime Udoka 2007-09, 2010-11
Hill is good it's just that the spurs did not use him right. He should not have been playing pg. Hill will be a star in Indiana as a sg. He will get starters minutes and play mostly at the 2 and watch him take off into a much better player than what he would have been on San Antonio.
Which is why I said (and Chump doesn't agree) that the move was more financial than any thing else it appears.
This move was good from a basketball standpoint as well as from a financial one. Manu starting as SG, Neal as back-up, and Anderson as fill in minutes is good. It takes the SF position from RJ starting, Anderson as back-up and Manu and Neal filling in on small ball to a battle for Starting between RJ and Leonard, with the other playing back-up and Anderson doing fill in work.
Personally I think Anderson is better suited to playing at 2 than 3 in the NBA though depending on teams and match-ups he could get minutes at either. Having Manu not playing SF at all is good since he gets beat up in those match-ups. It weakens PG back-up a little but not much since Hill wasn't really suited to that position. I see a back-up point guard coming in via free agency, The spurs also brought in a late last year who was a SF/SG tweener who's name I forget right now good college career major knee injury in the NCAA tourney. I don't know what this does for him.
It's possible that he'll flourish in his natural position. That said, he still has a lot to learn in a few departments, like footwork, basketball IQ, etc. He's young, and with a larger role it's possible he'll turn into a better player than he is today. I don't know about star (ie: Derrick Rose All-Star type). He should be serviceable though. At this stage, he wasn't as good as Tony or Manu, thus his role in the Spurs was what the team needed.
I didn't realize dribbling the ball up the court and handing it off to Manu to set up the offense or standing around and dribbling for 20 seconds then careening into the lane was playing PG
You should stick to "trade Manu" posts.
It's a chicken and egg sort of thing. Once they concluded that George couldn't replace Tony, the financial factor became more important and they moved him for future assets.
Had they concluded that George could replace Tony, they could have moved Tony and paid George.
Paying both really wasn't an option.
The basketball value of this move is yet to be determined.
Basically everyone defending it bases their arguments on the assumption that Leonard becomes a permanent contribute for the team in his first year, or even more unlikely that he will be the starting small forward. None of those are guaranteed particularly with RJ on the team.
Even more unlikely is that George Hill contribution for the team can be replicated by Garry Neal and James Anderson.
Hill was never a pg, he wasn't a pg before coming to the NBA and he never played as a real pg on the Spurs. But the Spurs also didn't have no real back up point guard to Parker during the 3 years that G Hill was on the team which put him in a tough spot between developing his ball handling and play making game as opposed to his natural scoring ability.
In any case, as a shooting guard he is better than Anderson and Neal, that's for sure and his scoring will be missed I'm afraid.
In short, this trade alone isn't awful but if more moves aren't made it all becomes a lot of wishful thinking and very few basketball evidences that this team will improve next year.
Just Wanted people to see GH3 #s on a per 36 minute basis compared to Anderson and Neals from last year.
GH3:-- 14.8pts 3.3 asst 3.2reb -- 0.4blks 1.1 stl 4.5fta
JA: 11.8pts 2.9 assts 2.3reb 0.8blks 0.4 stl 2.3fta
Neal: 16.7pts 4.2 assts 2.1reb 0.1blks 0.6 stl 2.2fta
I know there are some intangibles that were gonna miss from georgie, but production/stat wise, we shouldn't skip a beat.
This is a good start, but I would like to know the "hustle" stats for each and compare them. For instance, turnovers, turnover to assist ratio, tipped passes, steals, etc. GH3 had some major turnover issues as PG, imo. He is not a good ball handler, I think we all can admit that, right? Who's getting these stats? Anyone? Thanks.
They never concluded that George couldnt replace Tony. They concluded that shipping an all-star caliber PG like Tony without including a horrible contract like RJ was not worth it. They wouldve never shopped Parker if they didnt have confidence in Hill as a PG though.
Those stats have always been re ed. Didnt Blair average like 18 & 10 per 36 mpg his rookie season? Same with Splitter?? Anderson's and Neal's offensive skills are redundant, theyre both shooters and nowhere near the slashers Hill was. Their defense is pretty mediocre also. They also cant play back-up PG even in spot minutes. Even together they arent the player Hill was.
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