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    Rozier hasn’t gotten over himself
    Rozier is overrated cause of one good series against the Bucks last year and cause he was okay running the offense while Kyrie was out injured.

    He is definitely gonna get overpaid by some moronic GM.

    A team that has DJ Murray and Derrick White developing at the point should want nothing to do with Terry Rozier.

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    In what universe does a Rozier trade make sense? The Spurs already have too many guards as it is.

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    the worst is not the proposed scenario, but the simple fact that someone is taking it seriously, so the spurs with their 100 guards will trade their only wing (which is probably the best shooter in the world except Curry) by a dwarf in looking for a big contract next season? Okay

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    That is a re ed trade and fake as . Doubt that guy has any legit sources

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    In what universe does a Rozier trade make sense? The Spurs already have too many guards as it is.
    Celtics aren't going to be able to keep Rozier.

    I don't know much about yabuseli but he's like a Boris Diaw that can hit the 3.

    I like Bertans but he's an expiring contract next year.

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    Your not giving PATFO enough credit on developing Bryn. You are in the small minority who thinks Bryn is a better prospect. If Forbes was drafted by any other team we would look at him as a G leaguer. Prince drafted by the Spurs he would look that much better. He has already averaged more than 14 ppg last 2 seasons and about 38% from 3.
    Why do you think Bud's bad at developing players? Prince played for him, not Memphis.

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    I trust SA having 2 firsts wayyyy more than I trust SJ or TP. They have not been good with several years of data. It’s not hard to find players with at least their caliber with first round picks.

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    Why do you think Bud's bad at developing players? Prince played for him, not Memphis.
    Bud is no longer there and the program was going down the drain, hence him stepping down. Spurs are pillars of consistency compared to what Atlanta has going. Not to mention Taurean Prince is just a better fit. Even if you dont think he is as good as Forbes it's hard to deny he would be a better fit for our roster.

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    that's not about age or years in the league, it's just about the profile for me and imo prince has a better potential. i can agree with you on some things but you can't say prince is not a good defender.

    https://www.nbadraft.net/players/taurean-prince Look at his draftprofile. His weaknesses are all about offense.
    His draft profile doesn't matter anymore. He's been an NBA player for more than two seasons, and he hasn't been a good defender since he became a solid rotation player.

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    Celtics aren't going to be able to keep Rozier.

    I don't know much about yabuseli but he's like a Boris Diaw that can hit the 3.

    I like Bertans but he's an expiring contract next year.
    without your basketball qi

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    Celtics aren't going to be able to keep Rozier.

    I don't know much about yabuseli but he's like a Boris Diaw that can hit the 3.

    I like Bertans but he's an expiring contract next year.

    We wouldn't be able to keep Rozier as well nor should we.

    Yabusele cannot hit the 3,you're mistaking him for Ojeleye.

    Also he looks like he ate Boris Diaw and is currently digesting him.


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    You're right,i am subjectively taking it easy on Prince and not listing that he is half assing it on defense,only grabbing 4 boards per game,moving slower than his physical attributes command.I am not denying he hasn't developed as he should.But there is a reason i am doing that and it's cause he is currently playing on the worst team in the league.Tanking does that to a player (especially a player in his third year in the league).Defense in my personal opinion is 50% physical capabilities and 50% mental determination.If you're okay as a team with losing,the first thing that will be affected is your defense (cause you still want to get those juicy numbers on offence).

    Anyways,i am not saying he could be the second coming of 2013 Leonard,and i am not saying he is a sure thing.I'm saying he is a player that would show and provide much more than he is providing in his current team and a player this Spurs team is lacking and in need of.If he's worth a 1st round pick in the late 20's is debatable.If he would push Bryn out of the starting line up is something that nobody can predict as well.

    But i am in no way against Forbes as a player,mind you.The kid worked his butt off,he bulked up,he earned his minutes.He went from being an undrafted college prospect to a legitimate 3point threat in the NBA and a player who is always gonna keep trying in defense.
    It's just that,the way this team is constructed,the lack of a 3D wing is constantly hurting us.I dunno how long can Derrick White guard the other team's SF AND orchestrate the offence AND score his 15ppg and,and,and.. The lack of said wing from the roster is putting so much responsibility in White's hands and it's starting to show late in games.

    Nonetheless,this whole conversation started cause the Hawks want to move Taurean Prince,not cause the Spurs came knocking on their door.They want to develop Huerter,they don't want Prince cause the front office that drafted him is not there? Fine.Cause that to me means the team taking him on is not overpaying.Thus,we're conversing about his value and what he can provide.
    You're being perfectly reasonable here. As I said, if PATFO thinks he's worth it, I wouldn't be mad. It would suggest they have a plan to develop his weaknesses and put him in positions of strength. That's good enough for me. My biggest issue in this thread isn't about subjective things like if Prince would help the team. It's over objective things like whether a first-round pick is a low offer. I think in today's NBA, a late-first is more valuable than it's ever been. Potential or no, system or no, Prince isn't in the bracket of players that would require greater assets. I also don't think the Spurs are as desperate as a lot of people suggest they are, so I'm not keen to believe they will be pressured into paying more.

    In the right deal, Prince, Johnson, whomever -- they'd be fine. But the Spurs may well use 29 for another difference-maker in June. It's weird that a lot of the same people who want to throw a first at quick fixes are reluctant to put Metu in trades, when Chim is a prospect picked in the mid-second and who hasn't shown anything at the NBA level.

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    His draft profile doesn't matter anymore. He's been an NBA player for more than two seasons, and he hasn't been a good defender since he became a solid rotation player.
    I think you’re a smart guy but you can’t say his draft profile means nothing. One of his stenght is defense, i saw some of his games last year ( because he was in m’y Fantasy team) and i can tell you he is a good defender, i’m not saying elite but good.

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    Bud is no longer there and the program was going down the drain, hence him stepping down. Spurs are pillars of consistency compared to what Atlanta has going. Not to mention Taurean Prince is just a better fit. Even if you dont think he is as good as Forbes it's hard to deny he would be a better fit for our roster.
    He's not that good of a fit. The Spurs don't have a guard just chilling on the bench right now except for Walker. They do routinely have forwards as DNP-CDs and haven't even called up the SF they have as a two-way. Clearly, if the Spurs thought they just needed a small-forward no matter what, they'd've at least tried to used the ones they have. I also think folks are having a hard time realizing that DeRozan is as much a small-forward as anyone nowadays. The 6-9 dudes who posted up are mostly the four now. DeMar's lack of quickness on defense makes it hard for him to guard the shorter shiftier two-guards in the league today. He's a much better match for bigger players. Having an elite defensive forward who can check 1-4 would obviously be a plus regardless. But bringing in a guy who can only guard forwards doesn't really make the team better. That's even more the case next year when the team could be adding two small wings to the rotation. DeRozan at SF might be here for a long time.

    Do I mind bringing in a more mobile/useful version of Cun to upgrade the depth? Not at all. But that's not a huge priority and doesn't warrant using assets on it.

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    On second thought,bring Yabusele over just for the laughs.


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    I think you’re a smart guy but you can’t say his draft profile means nothing.
    I think you can say his draft profile doesn't matter anymore. What people thought he'd be good at and what he ended up being good at are different things. Players develop differently. Athletic advantages go away. Skill deficits increase. You have a guy like Huestis where a firm number of STers still think he's some good defender when he hasn't done much on that end at all in the NBA. Meanwhile, Kyle Anderson is an elite defender out of nowhere. Kyle's scouting report doesn't suggest he'd be a sketchy outside shooter, because he shot 48 percent from three his final year at UCLA.

    i saw some of his games last year ( because he was in m’y Fantasy team) and i can tell you he is a good defender, i’m not saying elite but good.
    Obviously, I can't tell you what you eyes saw. But Prince ranked 69th out of 75 SFs in dRPM last year, and his defensive on-off last year was plus-4.3 (positive numbers being bad). This isn't the only year where he's graded poorly.

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    Lol at any re wanting to trade with that got Ainge. He wouldn't even give up Brown for Kawhi. Let him regret that decision for the rest of his GM life.

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    I can't wait to watch Boston the minute Kyrie predictably walks in free agency. A team full of first round busts and TOSB's Horford and Hayward rofl. It'll be comedy. Only an idiot like Ainge could've failed with all of that draft capital he had.

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    2012 22nd pick - Fab Melo
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    2014 17th pick - James Young
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    2015 28th pick - RJ Hunter
    2016 3rd pick - Jaylen Brown
    2016 16th pick - Guerschon Yabusele
    2016 23rd pick - Ante Zizic
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    Also ceperez and his obsession with scrubs. In before he posts a Jeff Pendergraph highlight dunk montage

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    Rozier is overrated cause of one good series against the Bucks last year and cause he was okay running the offense while Kyrie was out injured.

    He is definitely gonna get overpaid by some moronic GM.

    A team that has DJ Murray and Derrick White developing at the point should want nothing to do with Terry Rozier.
    This.
    Id rather have White
    dont think white is a PG but if murray develops a three ball that is a nice backcourt (if murray can stay healthy)

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    Spurs need a superstar wing to replace the one they lost ...
    DDR is a borderline all-star wing ....
    Which is why SPurs are "borderline" contenders.

    IF spurs stayed 100% healthy despite their flaws they sniffing third seed ...

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    Lol at any re wanting to trade with that got Ainge. He wouldn't even give up Brown for Kawhi. Let him regret that decision for the rest of his GM life.
    Can't wait til Kawhi and DG cuck them hard in the playoffs.

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    Spurs need a superstar wing to replace the one they lost ...
    DDR is a borderline all-star wing ....
    Which is why SPurs are "borderline" contenders.

    IF spurs stayed 100% healthy despite their flaws they sniffing third seed ...
    DDR is an All-Star in the East. Tough crowd being the West.

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    I can't wait to watch Boston the minute Kyrie predictably walks in free agency. A team full of first round busts and TOSB's Horford and Hayward rofl. It'll be comedy. Only an idiot like Ainge could've failed with all of that draft capital he had.

    2012 21st pick - Jared Sullinger
    2012 22nd pick - Fab Melo
    2013 16th pick - Lucas Noguiera
    2014 6th pick - Marcus Smart
    2014 17th pick - James Young
    2015 16th pick - Terry Rozier
    2015 28th pick - RJ Hunter
    2016 3rd pick - Jaylen Brown
    2016 16th pick - Guerschon Yabusele
    2016 23rd pick - Ante Zizic
    2017 3rd pick - Jayson Tatum
    2018 27th pick - Robert Williams
    Holy i never realized Sullinger and Fab Melo were in the same Celtics draft class.

    Sullinger is in China and Fab Melo is dead,God rest his soul.Cursed draft.

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