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    So how does this work. The Warriors are at 168MM with the Fathead signing. Wiggins makes 26.2MM. A trade for Mark would, in high likelihood, have him being extended, right? So the most GSW could take back in Mark's salary would be around 36MM, or else they'd tip over into the first apron.

    I'm assuming that a team can't make a trade that puts them into the first apron? Or can they? If a trade puts a team into the first apron, do first apron restrictions apply to the trade?
    I think it’s fairly safe to assume it’s the Wiggins contract and a bunch of FRPs.

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    I think it’s fairly safe to assume it’s the Wiggins contract and a bunch of FRPs.
    Right, that works. The question is what are the implications of giving Lauri an extension that would put them into the first apron? It seems like they can do that, but I have no idea.

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    Warrior can be aggressive. But it wont matter. Just like they were aggressive to get Siakam last season.

    Lauri is dreaming to come to spurs now. Look at the ceilings of warriors and Spurs.

    Warrior's ceiling is playoff spot.

    Spurs ceiling is multiple championships and a dynasty greater than the Jordan's Bulls.

    By getting 2 to 3 le with spurs, Lauri will be a Hall of Famer and a national hero in Finland.

    This is the beauty of Wenby. He cannot resist. Just this simple.

    Book it. Lauri will be a spur before Training camp.

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    Warrior can be aggressive. But it wont matter. Just like they were aggressive to get Siakam last season.

    Lauri is dreaming to come to spurs now. Look at the ceilings of warriors and Spurs.

    Warrior's ceiling is playoff spot.

    Spurs ceiling is multiple championships and a dynasty greater than the Jordan's Bulls.

    By getting 2 to 3 le with spurs, Lauri will be a Hall of Famer and a national hero in Finland.

    This is the beauty of Wenby. He cannot resist. Just this simple.

    Book it. Lauri will be a spur before Training camp.
    Normally I would say that a player normally doesn't have a choice in regards as to where they're getting traded but in this case, it seems to be completely different seeing as the team he's being traded to would want some kind of reassurance that he's going to resign with them so I agree with you especially if you have the opportunity playing with Wemby as opposed to Curry who's on his way out.

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    oh thats right they signed Melton with the MLE, which hard caps them at first apron. i forgot about that signing.

    but Lauri is already under contract for this season, so im not sure if they have any specific limitations on how much of an extension they can offer him if acquired. somebody like Chinook or Bruno could do a much better job than i could
    The CBA FAQ doesn't have any restriction placed on teams after they have renegotiated a player's salary. So that's not really going to be the issue. The issue would be the extension itself. The Jazz can only give a two-year extension with five-percent raises if they intend to trade him this season. If they trade him without an extension, the new team could only offer to an extension that matches the extend-and-trade procedures unless they wait six months. After that, they should be able to give a vet extension with the 40-percent boost and 8-percent raises. If the new CBA hasn't changed that, it means the Jazz could give Mark a big boost and deal him either one a short-term extension (that cannot be extended further) or as an expiring.

    As I said before, I'd probably prefer the Spurs to do the renegotiation themselves or failing that to have Utah do a deal under similar constraints. I don't think giving Mark a three-year max is in their best interests. GS may want something similar, because they can't take back a lot of extra salary and stay under the first apron, which has become a hard cap with the Anderson acquisition. I think they're more likely to take Mark at $18 Million and risk it than $40 Million signed for three years.

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    The CBA FAQ doesn't have any restriction placed on teams after they have renegotiated a player's salary. So that's not really going to be the issue. The issue would be the extension itself. The Jazz can only give a two-year extension with five-percent raises if they intend to trade him this season. If they trade him without an extension, the new team could only offer to an extension that matches the extend-and-trade procedures unless they wait six months. After that, they should be able to give a vet extension with the 40-percent boost and 8-percent raises. If the new CBA hasn't changed that, it means the Jazz could give Mark a big boost and deal him either one a short-term extension (that cannot be extended further) or as an expiring.

    As I said before, I'd probably prefer the Spurs to do the renegotiation themselves or failing that to have Utah do a deal under similar constraints. I don't think giving Mark a three-year max is in their best interests. GS may want something similar, because they can't take back a lot of extra salary and stay under the first apron, which has become a hard cap with the Anderson acquisition. I think they're more likely to take Mark at $18 Million and risk it than $40 Million signed for three years.
    By my math, if Mark is incoming to GSW at 40MM, that will put them over the first apron. It sounds like there's no CBA restriction in doing so. It also doesn't seem like there's a CBA restriction preventing GS from Mark waiting 6 months, and doing the much larger extension you describe. But at that point, GSW are a first-apron team with diminished draft assets (assuming they go out to UTA as part of the trade), an aging Steph and Draymond and Fathead. At that point, I guess Mark has to be sold on a vision of the future with Kuminga and Podz and not much opportunity to improve until Steph and Draymond come off the books.

    An interesting wrinkle at this point is that Kuminga is an expiring this season and likely will command much more than 7MM. Moody, GPII, and Looney are all expiring as well. Do they resign. Next season, the second apron becomes a big problem for GSW in this scenario.

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    It would be so weird to see Chris Paul and Markkanen in a spurs uniform lol

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    That sounds like Ainge has SA's offer and is using it to make the GSW sing. One of the ATL unprotected and Sochan would be hard for them to beat. Both unprotecteds near impossible.
    If the Atlanta 25 pick were the table, Ainge would have pulled the trigger. It’s immediate, and it’s gratifying, GS can’t hit both of those notes.

    My guess at our offer:

    CHA,CHI,MIN pick and swap.

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    I think it’s fairly safe to assume it’s the Wiggins contract and a bunch of FRPs.
    They wouldn’t put Wiggins in the pot for PG13, an All NBA caliber player. They’re not doing it for LM. My guess is that the Fathead signing is their punt.

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    Doubt PAFTO is even working. Signed CP3 and called it a summer. Will get out of bed and head to the office is someone dangles some far out swaps for taking on salary though.

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    By my math, if Mark is incoming to GSW at 40MM, that will put them over the first apron. It sounds like there's no CBA restriction in doing so. It also doesn't seem like there's a CBA restriction preventing GS from Mark waiting 6 months, and doing the much larger extension you describe. But at that point, GSW are a first-apron team with diminished draft assets (assuming they go out to UTA as part of the trade), an aging Steph and Draymond and Fathead. At that point, I guess Mark has to be sold on a vision of the future with Kuminga and Podz and not much opportunity to improve until Steph and Draymond come off the books.

    An interesting wrinkle at this point is that Kuminga is an expiring this season and likely will command much more than 7MM. Moody, GPII, and Looney are all expiring as well. Do they resign. Next season, the second apron becomes a big problem for GSW in this scenario.
    The Warriors are hard-capped at the first apron because of the Anderson trade. They cannot go over under any cir stances.

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    Curry is the glamor in that franchise. How glamorous have the Bulls been since Jordan left?
    The Bulls weren't in bed with the media to this extent. They will give them a platform that others irrelevant franchises (with the exception of the Lakers when they suck) won't get.

    Why do you think Melton and Anderson have signed with them now? It's obviously not to contend.

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    The Warriors are hard-capped at the first apron because of the Anderson trade. They cannot go over under any cir stances.
    That Bobby Marks graphic shows them ~10MM under (168 post trade vs. 178 first apron)? I'm just trying to figure out if that signing takes them out of the Lauri race

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    Lauri is 27... shouldn't Wemby and Lauri be hitting their strides at the same time? We should tank... grab two top 5 picks and be aggressive next off-season. Angie isn't gonna let him go for cheap.

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    Lauri is 27... shouldn't Wemby and Lauri be hitting their strides at the same time? We should tank... grab two top 5 picks and be aggressive next off-season. Angie isn't gonna let him go for cheap.
    No? Tim Duncan and Tony Parker had a 6 year age gap.

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    "Hey Steve buddy... Yeah the wine's good... So anyway how's about you give us Kyle and we'll let you have Lauri."

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    They wouldn’t put Wiggins in the pot for PG13, an All NBA caliber player. They’re not doing it for LM. My guess is that the Fathead signing is their punt.
    *Kuminga

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    When Lauri goes to OKC and this dream dies, it will still all have been worth it to see some dumb mother er compare Markannen to Gabe Vincent.

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    My bad. Thanks.

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    When Lauri goes to OKC and this dream dies, it will still all have been worth it to see some dumb mother er compare Markannen to Gabe Vincent.
    Was gonna say, the usual pattern when there’s smoke that doesn’t materialize into a deal, another team usually pops out of nowhere and snags the player.

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    The Warriors are hard-capped at the first apron because of the Anderson trade. They cannot go over under any cir stances.
    why does the anderson trade hard cap them. isnt it the melton MLE deal that does so? im assuming the color chart i shared from Keith Smith doesnt cover everything, but it says that for above the cap but below apron teams, using the MLE or BAE is what hard caps, not a S&T

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    That Bobby Marks graphic shows them ~10MM under (168 post trade vs. 178 first apron)? I'm just trying to figure out if that signing takes them out of the Lauri race
    This is the updated GS salary situation:

    https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-s...ap/_/year/2024

    So it looks like with 13 players on the roster, the Warriors are about $7.6 Million under the hard cap. So there is a path for them to get Mark on a large raise while staying under, but it's tights As I mentioned, the Warriors would probably prefer something closer to what I had the Spurs able to do which was $82M/2 in new money and $100M/3 total. They could match that with Wiggins and still have just enough to add a 14th man. Once you start pushing his salary higher than that, you start requiring additional salary to keep the Warriors under the apron, and the players earning that salary need to replaced at the cost of additional salary.

    There's a line there, but it's quite thin.

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    why does the anderson trade hard cap them. isnt it the melton MLE deal that does so? im assuming the color chart i shared from Keith Smith doesnt cover everything, but it says that for above the cap but below apron teams, using the MLE or BAE is what hard caps, not a S&T
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    Whether it's in the chart or not, receiving a player via a sign-and-trade is a hard-cap condition. You can't receive a signed-and-trade player over the first apron and can't receive a player at all in a sign-and-trade transaction if you're over the second apron.

    The Melton acquisition would hard-cap them too, but they need to actually use the MLE for that. With the trades floating around, they could probably find another way to do it later if need be.

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    Whether it's in the chart or not, receiving a player via a sign-and-trade is a hard-cap condition. You can't receive a signed-and-trade player over the first apron and can't receive a player at all in a sign-and-trade transaction if you're over the second apron.
    thanks

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    They wouldn’t put Wiggins in the pot for PG13, an All NBA caliber player. They’re not doing it for LM. My guess is that the Fathead signing is their punt.
    Wiggins dude, Wiggins. They’ve been trying to move that fool for some time. I think your thinking Kiminga.

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