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Sammy's a freakin' ballhog.
I agree on this one.
gollum wouldnt want to share his precious with Tim, Manu, and Tony
Marcus Banks for Beno or Jacque Vaughn and we'll pay half of Tony's contract.
It's not that the Pistons wouldn't let him go, they just wouldn't let him go to the Spurs...or any other contending team for that matter.
Plus, they are looking to trade Flip Murray and one of their "bigs" alot more than Delfino...they need a backup PG almost worse that the Spurs do.
We'll give you an expiring contract (Williams) for Banks.....plus one of your first rounders
Seriously though...
Williams + Bonner for Banks + Jumaine Jones
Fills two needs for Spurs and gets rid of one unwanted long-term contract for Suns. Would it happen?
Last edited by AFBlue; 01-31-2007 at 10:00 AM.
Telfair may be the easiest to get off Boston now. He is currently third on Boston's pg depth chart. He started the season as the starter.
Maybe worth a shot for the spurs if the cost is low. Still like Arroyo as the better option.
20 pages of trade ideas and the spurs likely won't do anything.
PG Available - What it would take:
Atkins - Picks, Beno, and/or Oberto
Arroyo - Williams' expiring contract
Banks - Williams' expiring contract
Watson - Williams' expiring contract + Beno
There would probably be more to each trade than mentioned, but I would guess that the Spurs have the means to make any of these trades. Which, if any, benefits the Spurs the most?
I don't have a personal favorite b/c they all come with risks:
Atkins - Best for short-term, but him leaving this off-season means the Spurs will have to make backup PG a priority during the summer--not a good situation with Scola likely taking up most MLE and the 2007 draft being weakest at PG.
Arroyo - Solid but unspectacular, he would provide a legit short-term backup, but he doesn't come without his headaches. Still, he seems to be the best option.
Banks - Excellent defender with most upside of group, but could also be the biggest bust of the group (contrast play @ Min & Phx) and has a long-term contract (though not high $$), which increases the risk.
Watson - Best overall player of the group, but is only in the second season of a 5yr, $30M deal. That's alot of cheese for a 12-15MPG player.
Given what the Spurs are willing to trade, I would honestly pull the trigger on any one of these deals. Which one do you prefer?
The reason I didn't include Telfair is b/c I've seen nothing to indicate they'd trade him, plus they gave up a #7 pick for him just this last year, so I think that'd be a big pill to swallow if they sold him off for cap space or whatever.
The FO categorically will not take on salary beyond 2008, so Watson is out, and I think Banks, too. Atkins may be a solution.
I see them trying to draft somebody with the Milwaukee pick this draft. There's an outside chance a Law or Shakur drops, and guys like CS-Fullerton's Bobby Brown will probably be available at that pick. If they can get one of the better points (like Law) without using their first, they'll try to dump Udrih. If they have to go deeper, they'll probably keep Udrih around unless they can find a better veteran point.
Slim pickens, ya'll.
I have to admit that I'm sick of every other moron on this site trying to bring over every f'ing Argentinean to the Spurs thinking that they're a "gem" like Manu. There IS only one Manu. The way most were talking you would have thought that Fab Oberto was going to IMMEDIATELY come in and be the next Ben Wallace or something. Who have we NOT heard this season? Scola, Nocioni, Delfino, Herrman? Come on...TOGETHER they can play. They really can. But stop thinking these players are the answer to our dillemmas. They're ON teams but other than Noc they're NOT playing FOR A REASON.
They´re not Gems,like you said,but they´re are reliable and good work ethics,team oriented and not spensive players.
ohhh,by the way.Argentina is the last Olympics GOLD medal in basketball,Just for the record.
I won't give Oberto or a first round pick or Bucks second round pick for Atkins, he is old, he will be a six month rental and is not that good.
Another player that you can add to your list is Brevin Knight.
If Spurs want are ready to take Banks and his contract, they should try to get Jumaine Jones with him.
Taking Banks and that contract will probably have large detrimental effects within two years. I'd rather have that money available down the road.
I thought seriously about including Knight, but I hadn't heard much in the rumor mill about him lately (probably b/c he's coming off injury). Also, it's tough to gauge what the Bobcats are looking for. Knight is an expiring contract, as well as Ely and several others, so they wouldn't take back dead weight expiring contracts. I think they'd actually want prospects and what are the Spurs willing to give up?
Agreed here. Posted earlier was Williams + Bonner for Banks + Jones...maybe they'd sweeten the deal with one of their first round picks, but that's me wishing...
I think it'd pay off if he played like he did in Minnesota...too bad the Suns are getting "vintage" Banks of Celtic era, which doesn't place my confidence level very high that he'll revert to last season's level.
Yeah, the only one Boston is likely to give up is Telfair. However, they ARE talking about trading Al Jefferson, their best player right now, so maybe Delonte West is a possibility.
Also, Boston would be a good trade partner because they have a lot of young kids and need some veterans, and we could use some youth.
As much as I love Barry, I would trade Barry and Udrih for Delonte West in a heartbeat. And Barry could really help steady a young team like Boston.
Brevin Knight is pretty damn old himself
Agreed that one of their three PG have to go and that Telfair seems the most likely to exit, but I wonder how much Ainge would ask...seeing as how he surrendured the #7 pick in last year's draft for him.
I think Pop pretty much ruled out trading Barry or any of the primary reserves with his "no 6, 7, or 8 players" comment. But I think you're right that it would take Barry to pull off a trade for one of their young guys.
Delonte as a combo guard would be great, but I think the Celts have really fallen in love with him. The Al Jefferson trades mentioned are for big fish like Garnett, Gasol, etc. I don't think they'd trade Jefferson, Pierce, Green, or West without getting a legit superstar for a package including them.
He's no spring chicken, but he's a classic backup PG (energy, unselfishness, knows limitations) and he's on an expiring contract so if he doesn't work out, the Spurs could always let him go.
PT is right. Boston is only going to trade their young guys for a franchise-type player like Gasol. Getting Barry will do absolutely nothing for that team or Ainge's job security.
I'm completely aware of that Arg. No where in my post did I make any disrespectful reference to their team play. In fact, I enjoyed watching them far more than any other team...I thought it was great basketball. I'm just not a fan of thinking that if we re-create the entire national team plus Tim Duncan we can win it all.
Trade Oberto and Elson for some good center, because they both suck.
Manu for David Lee or Balkman + Crawford. That trade would make the spurs more versatile because Crawford can play both point guard and shooting guard and Lee (or Balkman) brings hustle and rebounding plus they can play small forward or power forward.
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