Suns and Heat in Talks of Marion/Shaq Trade

[E20]

The days of high scoring in Phoenix are over.

Shaq can play defense.

Yeah on Oberto, but not Tim Duncan.

[T Park]

The best option against Shaq on the Spurs is probably *gulp* Francisco Elson. Elson wouldn't be able to stop Shaq very often but he'd at least make him run.

Well the last time IIRC Elson outrebounded him 14-3 and actually muscled him up alright.

Elson MAY, MAY, have saved his job on this team just because of this trade.

[sabar]

Let's see:

Nash = No defense
Bell = Defense
Hill = No defense
Amare = No defense
Shaq = no defense

Even if Shaq poses a nightmare threat on the O, the Spurs should put up 1000 points a night against a 1 on 5 man D.

I wouldn't say no defense exactly, he averages the same blocks that Tim does and his weight alone makes him harder to back down in the post than most centers.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

The days of high scoring in Phoenix are over.

Shaq can play defense.

I don't know about the accusations that Shaq doesn't play defense.

He's not as fundamentally sound defensively as Duncan, but Shaq is still a good player to funnel players towards...Not to mention Shaq knows how to pass out of a double team as well Duncan. I think he's going to do well in giving Phoenix their half court game, while letting Amare do all the inside scoring.

[baseline bum]

You mean give Riley a raise. Booting an aging Shaq and saving 60 mil, all while getting a decent PG and Marion.

As it stands now, Miami's pick will be at worst #4. I know that won't get you Al Horford like this year, but that's still a of a piece to build with in the worst case.

[T Park]

but not Tim Duncan.

If Duncan doesn't upfake and take it at him, then yes he can.

[E20]

I wouldn't say no defense exactly, he averaged the same blocks that Tim does and his weight alone makes him harder to back down in the post than most centers.

If I was Tim Duncan being guarded on Shaq I would pop out 15 feet on the wing, when and if Shaq comes out, blow by him off the dribble and take it strong to the rim or pass to the open man if a double team comes out. If Shaq doesn't come out, I'd expect Tim to shoot the jumper every possesion.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Not completely off topic, but if Shaq is traded, how would it affect the ATL/MIA 1 minute do-over?

[Kori Ellis]

You mean give Riley a raise. Booting an aging Shaq and saving 60 mil, all while getting a decent PG and Marion.

If Marion is a in Miami like he was in Phoenix, Riley is going to go crazy.

[T Park]

You need at least one more big man to bring 6 fouls.

A Mark Bryant type.

Someone to beat the out of him and push him out forcing bad shots and someone to guard him without bringing a double off a shooter.

[timvp]

Not completely off topic, but if Shaq is traded, how would it affect the ATL/MIA 1 minute do-over?

Good question. That'd be classic Shaq goes back to Miami just for the do-over

[T Park]

Not completely off topic, but if Shaq is traded, how would it affect the ATL/MIA 1 minute do-over?

Wow great question....

[T Park]

Miami would Shaq Marion D Wade.

Well they'd get into double digit wins

[T Park]

If Marion is a in Miami like he was in Phoenix, Riley is going to go crazy.

I'm shocked Riley hasn't resigned by now.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Good question. That'd be classic Shaq goes back to Miami just for the do-over

Logically, he'd have to, right?

This trade has multiple trainwrecks written all over it.

[ludda]

That pick MUST be protected. This was more of a desperation move by the Suns...I think RonMexico posted the Insider article on the General Sports forum thread and it said that the Suns were afraid Mavs were getting Snaq and made a move.

[T Park]

I think RonMexico posted the Insider article on the General Sports forum thread and it said that the Suns were afraid Mavs were getting Snaq and made a move

Pretty good panic trade.

[timvp]

Shaq on the Suns is scary. Shaq on the Mavs with AJ in his ear 24/7 is damn scary.

Thanks, Kerr

[T Park]

Shaq on the Suns is scary. Shaq on the Mavs with AJ in his ear 24/7 is damn scary.

Thanks, Kerr

Yeah if Shaq went to Dallas, you pretty much would've given them the ring.

Shaq would've been the low post presence they've desperately needed, and Dirk would've been so scared of being slapped by O'Neal, he would've actually driven the ball to the hole a bit more often.

[baseline bum]

I haven't heard anything about this pick other than a guy who claimed he heard it on Phoenix sportstalk radio. I don't buy for a second that Miami would send their lotto pick away for a guy they probably don't want.

[T Park]

Do you know how long it takes to get in shape? At least 3 months and Shaq isn't in a shape and he hasn't been in shape for over 2 years now..so being traded to the Suns he is going on a strict diet? Lets be realistic here...this is Shaq not Karl Malone that were are talking about! Shaq has always been lazy and that is why Kobe called him a fat ass! He has no work ethic..sorry stupid trade period

Sorry but thats what I thought, but O'Neal has guarded Duncan well.

Only one time has he gotten agressive with him and that was in 03 game 6 and took it at him.

Other than that, he's been passive.

[T Park]

And the Spurs also have Manu and Parker so if Duncan is having an off game they can run their offense through those two?

And get their shots blocked by shaq?

Ok.

[T Park]

omeone please that thinks the Shaq trade was great for the Suns please enlighten me a little about Shaq's work ethic?

Look at 05 and 06 how well he played when he was motivated...

[T Park]

Laugh all you want.

Look at how a semi motivated shaq did in 04 against Ginobili and Parker.

[E20]

Timvp/Kori has to bookmark/favorite this thread and once June rolls over and Spurs sweep Suns, they have to bump it so I can laugh at this.