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I think ultimately NE will be a better player than AB.
Essengue was already looking like a lock to go top 10 with his recent play. With these measurements I think he legitimately has a chance to go top 5 or 6.
I think ultimately NE will be a better player than AB.
OTOH, Risacher and Sarr may have put people off French talent.
But... he's still the same player.
I don't get this line of thought. He was already a limited player with theoretical upside. What changed? Nothing.
I don’t see him as a project big. I see him as a relatively safe pick with huge upside.
Been really watching a lot of scouting breakdowns for players with the 14th pick range and it made me start to wonder… Do yall think our draft philosophy changes with Johnson as the coach? Like we always go for Spur type of guys, could we drift from that somewhat with Pop being gone
Essengue to the Wizards tbh. Build out that French connection to attract Wemby as a FA. I see you.
That’s basically KD measurements. Wow wish we could have gotten him. I would trade 14 KJ Vasell for him. Even it means we take 40 million in dead salary from whoever we make trade with to match kj vassell salariea
these are center measurements. If this kid ever learns how to shoot he'll be a monster. You can play him at the 5 and the 4, that makes him a very safe pick. Especially because he always finds ways to impact the game although he's very raw.
No that's too much. I wouldn't even draft him at 14. There will be better prospects at 14. He's being overrated in here like other prospects. Kid looks weak in his movements(stated as raw by some) and lacks explosiveness. People comparing him to Ace saying he's better have a poor judgment on talent.
He looks closer to Ousmane Dieng than Ace Bailey.
6ers and Wiz are the lottery wildcards. I could see the 6ers take Tre Johnson over Edgecomb.
The Wiz might reach for Essengue or, my guess, Fears. They might be done with Jordan Poole.
Can't wait for Wednesday and Thursday.
Ousmane Dieng averaged 9 points and 3 boards in New Zealand. Essengue is putting up better numbers in the german playoffs than old Ibaka in his first non-NBA year in the same league.
I wouldn't draft a tree just because it's tall. It's cool that he has good measurements, but I've watched the tape. He has a lot of problem areas and I'm not going to draft him ten slots too early because he measured a little different.
Point of fact: I've been watching Derek Queen stuff a little again. His athletic measurements were crap, but he moves and handles the ball so well for a guy his size, and his touch around the rim is excellent. Such soft hands and knowledge of how to play. He might be drafted ten spots too late because of his measurements.
I've watched him too. He's raw, but improving (especially towards the end of the season). He's not Salaun or ousmane. He ahead of both significantly with better measurements. He's the type of calculated gamble a team should make. He'll go top 10.
What did he improve upon “especially” towards the end of the season? Genuinely curious. He was quite the nonfactor in the pivotal game against Houston with 0 rebounds. There are prospects I like that had terrible games towards the end too. I’m just curious what you saw. So far it sounds like a Cody Williams type take to say there’s a lot of upside on a guy that hasn’t done a lot to warrant folks raving about him.
Mainly in court awareness and his scoring/shooting. Im not saying he's a finished product, but he's improved over the season by a good bit. Early he really didn't look like he knew what he was doing out there and now you can see more confidence in his game like he knows he belongs.
Essengue will be a way better player than Queen down the line. I wouldn't touch Queen with a 10-foot pole
Maluach really was bad that last game. The Orange Goblin announced revoking all visas from his country earlier that day, so maybe he was distracted. AFAIK we still don't have resolution for that situation as with all the menacing destructive chaos of these guys.
Derik Queen to me is the answer to the question "what would Joel Embiid look like if he was smaller, less athletic, and didn't give a about defense"
I have complete confidence in his ability to develop a dribble jumper in a few years, and once he does that dude is going to give defenders buckets if he gets minutes. His passing is also super underrated.
That being said, things like motor and giving a on defense matter a lot to me, especially when it's a big, so that drops him a decent amount in my eyes. If he got in a system like Miami's where Spo is on his ass daily to get in shape and play defense, he'd probably be top 5 for me. In fact, if he ends up dropping on draft night that may not be a bad option for them if he drops to mid-first - trade up to get him, let him operate in space while Ware and Herro space the floor, trade Bam's overpaid ass for prospects and draft picks while his value is still pretty high, try and tank for the loaded 2026 draft since your pick is now unen bered
Yeah, if I am Miami I am going to trade for picks and try to get someone they can build around.
To be fair though, it's kind of absurd that there's a notion of "French" Talent... that'd be like saying Kon Knueppel and Thomas Sorber are sort of the same because they're both "American."
Oh man definitely cannot agree. Queen is going to be busting on teams years after Essengue is gone. Pick the guy who can play basketball every time.
I say Derik Queen has a better career than Essengue. Question his Defense and effort all you want but he would put Essengue in a blender. I say this as someone that likes Essengue. If Essengue only has to guard Queen and Queen only guards Essengue. I’ll take Queen every time. He is that skilled. We haven’t seen this level of a gifted big on offense in a long time. Most of the bigs that come out these days are rim runners that you hope will develop offense. Best offensive big prospect since Sengun. If he is given the keys to an offense and develops a shot. He will end up as the 2nd or 3rd best player in this class.
The overall pool of talent is overwhelmingly “American”. It’s not really a sub genre to be evaluated.
I've never seen Queen play. How does he compare to a young Jokic as far as athleticism goes? As most people know/remember, Jokic wasn't in the shape he's in now when he first arrived. Is Queen in better or worse shape than a young Jokic. I never really considered Queen, but if he's as skilled as you say, I'm thinking he could be a poor man's Jokic (not very athletic, but skilled big man going)? Or do they have completely different games?
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