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I wonder what all those guests are thinking?
His voting support is a little low for someone who is supposed to deceive all unbelievers.
I wonder what all those guests are thinking?
Patience, grasshopper.
Just look at this forum...politics is divisive by it's very nature....no one is ever going to unite behind a sole political figure in the U.S. - not gonna happen...Obama could solve our current climate crisis, our own fiscal disembowelment and end the need for all wars and Republicans would still oppose him for supporting a woman's right to choice...and for having a muslim-sounding middle name and not wearing lapel pins...
There's nothing preconceived about it. I grew up, not in one church, but several, which exposed me to a wide variety of Protestant churches, along with the myriad of theological perspectives offered by different pastors, bible study leaders, etc. In my post I wrote that I respected the consistency of the exclusive Jesus Club argument, as it is a neatly closed loop; that doesn't mean I hold those particular Christians (with the minority view, in my experience) in higher esteem than the Christians who recognize the injustice of millions of souls damned without hope of salvation due to arbitrary factors like time and geography.
The great dodge is saying "We can never understand God's thinking", "The ways of God are a mystery" or something to that effect. It is sometimes followed with a brow-beating admonishment against hubris and/or an affirmation of the humility attained in that statement. This dodge is frequently employed by Christians who are too fair and just to abide such immortal discrimination, but recognize how a divine loophole undermines the core mission of the church (to spread the good word). It's funny you should mention Thomas Aquinas, as his philosophy actually doesn't allow for the great dodge regarding the knowing of God in this instance.
God cannot be less than perfectly just, perfectly righteous or perfectly anything else. To argue that God operates on some special "unknowable" form of justice and right action beyond our grasp is bull . If it were true, his "more perfect" brand of justice and right actions would have to be beyond our understanding of justice and right actions. That would mean God never imparted within us the ability to fully recognize and act on "real" justice to begin with, which means God could never have expected his "free-willed, made in his image" children capable of ever being "truly" just, or "truly" righteous, or "truly" whatever else is supposed to be understood as core essence of God.
"Original Sin" isn't the answer either; taking a bite out of a piece of forbidden fruit doesn't nullify our divinely created capacity to recognize what cons utes the character and essence of God. If you were a Jesus Clubber, you might quibble with my notion of justice and fairness, but without the ability to know God's "secret edition" of justice and fairness, that just leaves them with appeals to (religious) authority. That wouldn't be good enough for Thomas Aquinas, although sadly, that's good enough for some people. And for many others, there is the great dodge, which allows them to maintain their compartmentalization of religion and reason.
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We shouldn't be brushing under the rug people who hold views as ridiculous as this. This is dangerous thinking, dangerous thinking that could potentially lead to violence and death if someone sincerely and honestly believes so. People who believe Obama is the anti-christ or have ever had thoughts about this need to be locked up in a psyche ward ASAP. That is lunatic fringe thinking of the highest degree.
"Hey, why doesn't angel_luv post here anymore?"
"I dunno. She stopped about the same time David Robinson and his family disappeared."
"I was going to congratulate her about the Obama Anti-Christ thing. Did you check the footage on CNN of one-third of the earth collapsing into molten lava?"
"Hold on, Emperor Obama is coming on.. broadcasting from the Temple in Jerusalem."
"Do you think maybe she was raptured?"
"Then why is Extra Stout here?"
"Oh, I'm amillenialist. We don't get raptured."
Holy crap! It turns out that Obama does have the Mark of the Beast.
Easy there buckaroo. I'm sure there are hundreds who believe the same about Bush. BFD.
I have no problems coexisting with Christians so long as they admit the following:
1.) Their belief in Christianity is not based on any real substantial factual evidence. It is completely faith based and fantastical in nature.
2.) They acknowledge that their beliefs about God and religion may indeed be incorrect and that they have no way of really knowing for certain.
3.) They do not impinge their beliefs on others or condemn others for not having their beliefs.
The problem is Christians cannot peacefully coexist with others of differing views without violating the above principles.
Considering Bush beliefs and his holy wars, what you just posted is an oxymoron.
This is a disgraceful opinion for an American.
It's disgraceful to think people who believe Obama is the anti-christ need to be locked up in a mental ward?
No, that's called sanity.
We should not be PC about people who hold dangerous views like this. I have no doubts that attempts on Obama's life will be made should he become President, and it certainly wouldn't surprise me in the least if it came from a religious fundie nutjob like Angel Luv who believes Obama is the anti-christ.
But still not as disgraceful as thinking Obama is the devil by gut feeling only
heh, yeah well...Im not sure about the "change thread le business" anymore. No idea whyYeah, you can start a new thread. Don't gotta ask me, though. SpursTalk is self correcting.
Good idea..
Where's your proof.
Gargoyles!!!
That's not what you said. And yes, that is still disgraceful. I'd rather someone think Obama may be the anti-christ than someone think it is their right to deny freedom of thought in the USA.
So let's put all "fundie nutjobs", racists, xenophobes and gigaphobes in jail just to be safe.
Good idea.
I like how JoeChalupa thanked her for her real thoughts. Are we thanking all those Klan members that aren't violent but just loudly protest? Ha!
Additionally, honestly, who really believes that this "Anti-Christ" thought just popped into her head?
"So I was watching the debates, and I remember Obama said something about needing to have health care for all people, and then I wondered, didn't Lucifer say something like that in the Bible?"
Or maybe it went like, "Hm... I wonder what movies are coming out this weekend... or if Obama is the anti-Christ... oooh or if that new sushi place is open?!?"
I'm still waiting to see if Angel_Luv is cool with God saying slavery was okey-dokey. Or the part about stoning your teenagers if they talk back. Or the whole thing about not eating s fish. Or where they say a bat is a bird.
I'm a GOD Warrior!!!!!!!!!!
someone forgot to log out of their troll.
If someone believes the prophecy that an Anti-christ will come to power as pre-ordained by the word of God, then how could you think that simply not voting for him would be enough to keep him away? Is the anti-christ going to lose a democratic election and then just kick the dirt a couple of times, say aw shucks, and go away for good? If you believe God has said that an anti-christ will rise to power, it seems odd to me to try and strategize against this Dark Historic Figure with some kind of grass-roots anti-anti-christ movement... Why use contemporary politics to go against the Word of God?
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looks like someon sucks balls at trolling. Rookie mistake.
I don't like the idea of a thought police any more than I like the idea of religious zealots.
That said, this whole Anti-Christ innuendo needs to be called out. At least to underscore how ignorant people vote these days.
While I have no problem with her religious beliefs, regardless of wether I think they are rational or not, her vote and the votes cast by people with her mindset will affect me in the near future.
So to me it's important to highlight the fairy tales, gut feelings and denial they use to justify their choice. It's an extremely good example of how you should NOT conduct your civil duties, IMO.
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