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    Sadly the deal with Ridnour going to bucks sounds good and would leave Spurs out of a potential Kirilenko S&T.

    Signing Kirilenko through cap space should be way more unlikely mostly because it requires that McDonald has screw up his report about Pendergraph contract.

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    But Bruno makes a fine point: if cap space is not in the plan, why on Earth have the Spurs FAs not signed? Unless they have and it's not reported yet...
    But it's decorum to hold a press conference fairly quickly and introduce the new players. Why would the Spurs delay that?

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    And McDonald report on salary is in line with what Pendergraph would ask for.

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    But Bruno makes a fine point: if cap space is not in the plan, why on Earth have the Spurs FAs not signed? Unless they have and it's not reported yet...
    all fas could have been approached if spurs could land ak47 with sign and trade then this is what they make if not then this is what you make if we can sign him outright

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    Sadly the deal with Ridnour going to bucks sounds good and would leave Spurs out of a potential Kirilenko S&T.

    Signing Kirilenko through cap space should be way more unlikely mostly because it requires that McDonald has screw up his report about Pendergraph contract.
    Personally I don't think that's unlikely at all.

    But I'm not realistically holding out hope for that. More just sniping at McDonald and yearning for Ludden.

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    @ESPNSteinLine: In latest scenario, Luke Ridnour will end up in Milwaukee, with Wolves signing Corey Brewer and sign-and-trading Kevin Martin from OKC
    Actually, if they're going to get Martin via S&T they can just stay over the cap and sign Brewer via the MLE while retaining rights to Kirilenko. Spurs might not need to find a way to work their way into the Martin/Brewer deal afterall.

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    I wouldn't be surprised to see that asshole Cuban block us from getting AK by submitting an offer just to prevent us getting him like the Corey Brewer situation a few years back.

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    I wouldn't be surprised to see that asshole Cuban block us from getting AK by submitting an offer just to prevent us getting him like the Corey Brewer situation a few years back.
    Not happening. They'd have to pull their offer to Bynum to make one to AK.

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    Actually, if they're going to get Martin via S&T they can just stay over the cap and sign Brewer via the MLE while retaining rights to Kirilenko. Spurs might not need to find a way to work their way into the Martin/Brewer deal afterall.

    Sorry for being a bit dense here, but how do you figure this???

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    The thing about Pendrgraphs number is if Mac was right, why would he not be signed already?

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    I wouldn't be surprised to see that asshole Cuban block us from getting AK by submitting an offer just to prevent us getting him like the Corey Brewer situation a few years back.
    Germans hate Soviets. Not happening.

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    The thing about Pendrgraphs number is if Mac was right, why would he not be signed already?
    Maybe they're trying to get Neal to agree to a certain amount to come back and need a little flexibility.

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    They have Neal's bird rights, they can sign him for whatever.

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    those tweats updates have nothing to do with ak47 yet.....

    GET HER DONE !

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    Yeah, the Spurs would start announcing signings by now unless something is holding it up.

    Man, being a Spurs fan is getting more and more difficult in the summer because the Express-News has basically given up on reporting anything substantial.

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    nothing official yet, something is cooking.

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    Yeah, the Spurs would start announcing signings by now unless something is holding it up.

    Man, being a Spurs fan is getting more and more difficult in the summer because the Express-News has basically given up on reporting anything substantial.
    I know I'm jealous of other team's beat writers, lol, there are times when they actually break team signings before Woj does.

    The only good thing, we have Ludden at Yahoo, so we get those awesome articles every now and then.

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    Sorry for being a bit dense here, but how do you figure this???
    If they don't renounce anybody, they're over the cap. Martin's 1st year is going to be right at $7 mil. Taking that $7 mil and backing it out of the 150%+$100k formula, they would need to send out $4.6mil in salary. Ridnour makes $4.32. So they send Ridnour plus some other low dollar scrub to Milwaukee and get Martin from OKC. Legal trade for an over the cap team.

    Since they're over the cap, they have the MLE which they can use on Brewer. Since they didn't have to renounce AK to accomplish any of this, they would still be able to S&T him.

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    Yeah, the Spurs would start announcing signings by now unless something is holding it up.

    Man, being a Spurs fan is getting more and more difficult in the summer because the Express-News has basically given up on reporting anything substantial.

    But isn't the national media interested in finding out if the Spurs can get Kirilenko through a sign and trade or dump players to sign him in free agency?

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    I find it amusing how people are twisting events as hard as they can like logic pretzels to justify and excuse the Spurs failure here.

    The notion that the Spurs could have had capspace but checked with AK and his agent and it was just too much so the Spurs had to move on and lock up Pendergraph and Belinelli and keep Bonner's lusciously valuable expiring . . .

    The S&T talks with the Wolves don't collapse on Flip if AK was asking for too much. They just don't. This means that AK had already agreed to a ballpark figure. Something they could have signed outright had they not tried to so hard to lock everything up before the moratorium was up.

    This is on the Spurs.

    If they don't get AK somehow, it is a failure. A big one. But if a miracle happens, it is a huge triumph.

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    If Minny can salary dump Ridnour to Milwaukee they have the option to just sign both Brewer and Martin with cap space. For them the edge would be that they won't give a TE to OKC and that they will have the room exception available.

    If they get Martin through a S&T including Ridnour and then sign Brewer with the MLE, they will have only the LLE left but they will still have Kirilenko Bird rights. A motivation for doing that would be to do a S&T with Kirilenko. WOJ reported that Minny liked some of Spurs package but weren't ready to take back the salaries. With Ridnour dumped, they might be able to do so.

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    If they don't renounce anybody, they're over the cap. Martin's 1st year is going to be right at $7 mil. Taking that $7 mil and backing it out of the 150%+$100k formula, they would need to send out $4.6mil in salary. Ridnour makes $4.32. So they send Ridnour plus some other low dollar scrub to Milwaukee and get Martin from OKC. Legal trade for an over the cap team.

    Since they're over the cap, they have the MLE which they can use on Brewer. Since they didn't have to renounce AK to accomplish any of this, they would still be able to S&T him.
    Sign-and-trades always confuse me a bit...for the Spurs to acquire AK47 via sign-and-trade, would they need to match salaries?

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    I find it amusing how people are twisting events as hard as they can like logic pretzels to justify and excuse the Spurs failure here.

    The notion that the Spurs could have had capspace but checked with AK and his agent and it was just too much so the Spurs had to move on and lock up Pendergraph and Belinelli and keep Bonner's lusciously valuable expiring . . .

    The S&T talks with the Wolves don't collapse on Flip if AK was asking for too much. They just don't. This means that AK had already agreed to a ballpark figure. Something they could have signed outright had they not tried to so hard to lock everything up before the moratorium was up.

    This is on the Spurs.

    If they don't get AK somehow, it is a failure. A big one. But if a miracle happens, it is a huge triumph.
    What I find silly is that we spend money on players that won't get significant playoff time. Pendergraph won't get playoff minutes unless they're up by 20. Bonner doesn't play a significant role in the playoffs, De Colo/Mills didn't even sniff the floor. Marco is the only thing that made sense as long as Neal doesn't return. Should have had enough to bring in a guy like AK47

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    this is why we can't have nice things

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    Deal is done sending ex-Nuggets guard Corey Brewer to Minnesota, source tells Y! Sports



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