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    When did I mention a "creator"?
    Im not an expert mouse I just know intelligent design, alternative design are a form of the creationism movement and I said alternative creationist.

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    When did I mention a "creator"?
    Btw you did mention design and consequently designer

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    Im not an expert mouse I just know intelligent design, alternative design are a form of the creationism movement and I said alternative creationist.
    Well you need to do some more research.

    A Designer doesn't mean a GOD it means you didn't just didn't become a man from two fish ing. is that so hard to understand?

    not for me and millions others.... stop acting like your curious and admit there is DNA.

    did you forget that card?

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    Btw you did mention design and consequently designer

    The man who "Designed" the DVD cover for the 10 Commandments was a Atheist whats your point?

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    Alternative Design allows you to let go of Darwin and not have to support the Bible it's a "win Win"

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    Humans could survive without a lot of things. Other animals survive without all intellectual pursuits. But I wasn't saying that humans in general needed religion to survive. I was speaking about cases in which fear of a deity leads to good things. If certain people can't be reasoned with and need to fear something supernatural in order to stay in line, I'm all for it. We lie to people all the time to keep them in line. A lot of hostage negotiations are settled with lies.

    I didn't say religion doesn't lead to bad acts. I think people will do good or bad things and just make up whatever explanation they want to justify it. Both theists and atheists have done greats acts of good and evil (for lack of a better term). You just said that nothing good can come from lying to people, and that was my counter example.
    No, I said the ends don't justify the means.

    I don't believe that religion thwarts evil acts. I believe it gives people a moral out for doing whatever they want through creative, convenient exegesis of religious text.

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    No, I said the ends don't justify the means.

    I don't believe that religion thwarts evil acts. I believe it gives people a moral out for doing whatever they want through creative, convenient exegesis of religious text.
    Sorry, it was Blake who said that. My mistake. It was his post that started this particular branch of conversation. I should have read more carefully.

    I don't think lying to someone is a very bad means at all, so I respectfully disagree there. I agree about the moral out idea, but I think it's more of an out for ins utions rather than individuals. Churches and governments use religion to justify certain actions while being disingenuous. People often aren't aware that they are using religion as a moral out. There are those who legitimately are compelled to do or refrain from doing actions based on what a religious text tells them to do. Otherwise, religion really hasn't had any power over individuals, and it's no more harmful than a fairy tale.

    So either religion is/was powerless to direct moral norms or it has spurred both great compassion and hatred. Either way, it seems by and large neutral on that front.

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    That Evolution (micro) dose "Exist" "species" of "their kind" will evolve, So it's never really been about "Evolution"

    It's about "macro" Evolution when some creature becomes something "other" than it's own "kind"

    for example.... you can get lizards and snakes and tadpoles and salamanders to for 100s of years and produce a Horny toad that doesn't mean some day you get an Elephant and later a chimp who becomes a man.... .....how stoned do you have to be to eat this ?



    So readers should ask mouse when is something different than its own kind.

    When Does Mouse consider living things different? Are lions different from Tigers? Why or why not?
    These questions are asked because Mouse has no working definition of species. He mentions micro and macro evolution and completely skips over speciation. He does not understand the basics of what science says and then pretends in his fantasy land he has solved great problems.

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    Sorry, it was Blake who said that. My mistake. It was his post that started this particular branch of conversation. I should have read more carefully.
    I said no good can come from promoting fear of a boogeyman.

    I don't think lying to someone is a very bad means at all, so I respectfully disagree there. I agree about the moral out idea, but I think it's more of an out for ins utions rather than individuals.
    If you want to lie to your kids that God is watching them even when they think nobody is looking, that's your prerogative.

    But if we're talking about a larger societal scale, such as a public school classroom, then you're basically bringing religion into it.

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    Alternative Design allows you to let go of Darwin and not have to support the Bible it's a "win Win"
    Using bold text allows you to not have a ing clue but post as if you're important.

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    If your going to debate do some research first.

    (heads up #1200)
    Wiki and Infowarts isn't "research" material. You'd have to do more than just browse some forums to do any legit research.

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    Using bold text allows you to not have a ing clue but post as if you're important.
    I thought holding on the internet was yelling.

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    You guys argue over stupid .

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    You guys argue over stupid .
    Too much time on their hands tbh.

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    It's just pointless because there are some dumbasses on here that are so bent on the Earth being formed by the Big Bang and then there are others bent on God creating the Earth. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds. Why not just call it a draw and move on?

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    It's just pointless because there are some dumbasses on here that are so bent on the Earth being formed by the Big Bang and then there are others bent on God creating the Earth. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds. Why not just call it a draw and move on?
    you're bent on whining

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    Anything else ass ?

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    you're bent on whining
    Anything else ass ?
    That's just another one of Blake Almighty's favorite sayings since he is so dense he can't come up with anything creative and original.
    It means absolutely nothing coming from him.

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    It's just pointless because there are some dumbasses on here that are so bent on the Earth being formed by the Big Bang and then there are others bent on God creating the Earth. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds. Why not just call it a draw and move on?
    Jacob: leading the field in settling for less because otherwise it's just too hard.

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    Anything else ass ?
    No, that's it. I'm not sure why the arguing bothers you, but it's funny.

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    That's just another one of Blake Almighty's favorite sayings since he is so dense he can't come up with anything creative and original.
    It means absolutely nothing coming from him.
    You're bent on obsessing about me.

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    You're bent on obsessing about me.
    Not really.
    Have you got a guilty conscience or something?
    Just telling it like it is, returning for tat.
    You started this, not me.
    I'm just finishing it.
    Isn't that funny now? Oh, it isn't? How ironic, now that the shoe is on the other foot.

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    So readers should ask mouse when is something different than its own kind.
    Am I sensing some sarcasm?

    When Does Mouse consider living things different? Are lions different from Tigers? Why or why not?
    Beacase they are both from the cat family they both purr do you know what " kind" means?

    Like a banana and a pineapple are a kind of fruit.
    Turtles alligators and lizards are of the reptile kind
    Any of this helping?

    These questions are asked because Mouse has no working definition of species. He mentions micro and macro evolution and completely skips over speciation. He does not understand the basics of what science says and then pretends in his fantasy land he has solved great problems.
    That is your opinion frankly your talking like I used this topic to post every bit of knowledge I have on the subject but if you were reading I was only replaying to Brazil and I posted that I have already explained myself in many Evolution topics I'm not going to start over just so you can try and catch up.

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    Wiki and Infowarts isn't "research" material. You'd have to do more than just browse some forums to do any legit research.
    Your right I should be at the MIT library with a six pack of red bulls what was I thinking.

    So instead of debunking my videos your upset I didnt use google and yahoo instead?
    Put up a link that shows I'm wrong.
    Post something worth reading for a change.

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    Using bold text allows you to not have a ing clue but post as if you're important.
    So much for intelligent Design.

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