Bundy ranch situation in Nevada

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Who pointed a gun at a government employee?

FBI Finally Show Up! Bundy's Thugs Suddenly Deny They Pointed Weapons at Federal Agents


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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...l-Agents-LMFAO

CC's snipers ADMIT ON FACEBOOK they were pointing at the Feds.

If they were black ...

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the cons ution trumps any bull federal laws. we have the right to form militias and the purpose of the militia is to protect against any and all transgressors including the BLM, and a militia without guns and the ability to aim them and use them wouldn't be a militia at all. in saying it's against the law to actually aim your weapons what you're really saying is that the militia itself is in violation of the law...but this is not the way the cons ution readss. don't abuse power and break the law in the first place and you won't have guns pointed at you.

[pgardn]

the cons ution trumps any bull federal laws. we have the right to form militias and the purpose of the militia is to protect against any and all transgressors including the BLM, and a militia without guns and the ability to aim them and use them wouldn't be a militia at all. in saying it's against the law to actually aim your weapons what you're really saying is that the militia itself is in violation of the law...but this is not the way the cons ution readss. don't abuse power and break the law in the first place and you won't have guns pointed at you.

A Fckn nazi giving his views on the cons ution and militias...

Get serious you fat piece of pansy brautwurst s .

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the cons ution trumps any bull federal laws. we have the right to form militias and the purpose of the militia is to protect against any and all transgressors including the BLM, and a militia without guns and the ability to aim them and use them wouldn't be a militia at all. in saying it's against the law to actually aim your weapons what you're really saying is that the militia itself is in violation of the law...but this is not the way the cons ution readss. don't abuse power and break the law in the first place and you won't have guns pointed at you.

Yeah, the Cons ution doesn't mean that at all.

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Dozens Of Protesters Ride In Off-Limits UT Canyon

Dozens of people rode their ATVs and motorcycles on an off-limits trail in southern Utah on Saturday in a protest against what the group calls the federal government's overreaching control of public lands.

San Juan County Sheriff Rick Eldredge says from 40 to 50 people drove about a mile down Recapture Canyon near Blanding and then turned around.

BLM Utah State Director Juan Palma, in a statement, says the riders may have damaged artifacts and dwellings that are up to 2,000 years old, and the agency will pursue "all available redress through the legal system" to hold them accountable.

Commissioner Phil Lyman, the protest's organizer, says it was designed to show that the federal agency isn't the "supreme authority" and local residents have a right to have their opinions heard.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/at...+%28TPMNews%29

Western/red-states, what s.

[angrydude]

So I see this thread is devolving into buttons spam. Nice.

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angrydude another asshole with nothing to say

[FuzzyLumpkins]

angrydude another asshole with nothing to say

No he is saying he doesn't appreciate you spamming your ty sources. That isn't 'nothing.' A lot of people get tired of you spamming your RSS SMS or wherever the else you are spoonfeld your political takes.

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No he is saying he doesn't appreciate you spamming your ty sources. That isn't 'nothing.' A lot of people get tired of you spamming your RSS SMS or wherever the else you are spoonfeld your political takes.

FuzzyBrains still butthurt.

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Here come da patriots! yee haw, yawl !!

the REDSKIN savages' sacred sites and artefacts.

We bring REDNECK CIVILIZATION!

[Th'Pusher]

Agenda 21 ing fringe freaks.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

FuzzyBrains still butthurt.

And you have to try and characterize as that why? I am guess it is because you are scared to actually address my point head on.

Why do you use quotes that you know people will not find credible? You are no different than the fools that cite infowars or the like.

Go ahead and run away from that by saying "Fuzzy is mad" or "GFY." At the end of the day, you will still be unable to change a single persons mind.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Federal agents need to start arresting people. If there is a fire fight in the course of said arrests then they simply need not fire first and then unleash if the militia s start shooting. If they do it publicly and allow the public to see they did not fire first then the fallout will be against the militia groups.

I cannot believe this has gone on this long.

[pgardn]

Then there's the issue of private companies — specifically oil pipeline interests, but also power companies and for-profit toll highway operators — using eminent domain to seize private property, with the state's blessing. In March, the Texas Supreme Court declined to hear a final appeal from northeast Texas landowner Julia Trigg, who refused to sell her land to TransCanada, which used eminent domain to put a leg of the Keystone XL pipeline through her land.

In January, the advocacy group Public Citizen wrote a letter to Abbott that should sound pretty familiar to the attorney general:

As citizens and landowners along the pipeline route, we also are concerned that a foreign company has come to our state, taken private property for corporate profit, and is now planning to operate a pipeline that was found to have a substantial number of potential violations of federal safety regulations. We ask that you, as the attorney general of Texas, use the full arsenal of your cons utional, statutory, and common law powers to protect our property rights and the health and safety of our families. [Public Citizen]

Maybe they should have said they were "deeply concerned."

http://theweek.com/article/index/260...land-grab-talk

So Mr. Abbott does not mind the State seizing property for federal reasons.

No contradiction Mr. Abbott, it's all good.

[pgardn]

Here come da patriots! yee haw, yawl !! the redskin savages sacred sites and artefects. We bring CIVILIZATION!

So child safety is a priority I see.
They are selecting themselves out of the gene pool.

[ChumpDumper]

So child safety is a priority I see.

Human shields tbh.

[pgardn]

Human shields tbh.

The armor might fall off before the fightn begins.

[Nbadan]

Federal agents need to start arresting people. If there is a fire fight in the course of said arrests then they simply need not fire first and then unleash if the militia s start shooting. If they do it publicly and allow the public to see they did not fire first then the fallout will be against the militia groups.

I cannot believe this has gone on this long.

some will start shooting at the feds and then the feds will be shooting at families...that is just what the militias want on-camera ...

[Nbadan]

the ironic thing is that Bundy is a squatter...him and his kin have been mooching off government land for decades...a subsidy or 'en lement'...he has no 'ancestral rights' to the land...

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some update an all y'all's Brother in Arms

Bundy’s land claims were revealed as bogus.

Even though it’s legally irrelevant to owing grazing fees, Cliven Bundy had claimed that he should be exempt, because of “”ancestral rights,” claiming that his family had worked the land since the 1870s, well before the BLM came into existence. But a report from KLAS-TV in Las Vegas revealed that even this excuse was pure fabrication on Bundy’s part. His family had actually purchased the land in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt, according to Clark County property records.

Rep. Steven Horsford, D-Nevada, sent a letter to Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie, Fox-5 Las Vegas reported, concerning the militia members who remained in Bunkerville at and around the Bundy ranch. Horsford cited claims that armed militia members had set up checkpoints where they required residents to prove they live in the area before being allowed to pass, and have also established a presence along highways and roads, as well as in community areas, including churches and schools.

in nearby Mesquite, accord to a report from KLAS-TV, where militiamen reportedly threatened people, and businesses claimed to have lost over $100,000 because of their presence, including a local hotel forced to evacuate all of its clients one evening due to a bomb threat. The hotel also received at least nine threatening calls after it allowed BLM rangers to stay there. If they weren’t kicked out, the callers threatened, the hotel “would not be standing in the morning.”

Violent internal split, with threats of shooting among Bundy supporters:

Apparently, someone within one of the major factions at the camp, the Oath Keepers, relayed word of the imminent drone attack to his leaders. Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes responded by pulling his people out of what they called “the kill zone” (the area the supposed drone would be striking). When the other militiamen learned that the Oath Keepers had pulled out, they were outraged.
As you can see in the video below, the angry militiamen – led by a Montana “Patriot” named Ryan Payne, who has been acting as the spokesman for the militiamen at the ranch – held an impromptu gathering at the camp to discuss the situation. They openly talk about shooting Rhodes and other Oath Keepers leaders – because in their view, the Oath Keepers’ actions cons uted “desertion” and “cowardice” – and describe how “the whole thing is falling apart over there.” At the end, they vote unanimously to oust the Oath Keepers, or at least its leadership, from the Bundy Ranch camp.


Law enforcement sources told us that federal officials are preparing to move against Cliven Bundy, but they might wait months until things die down before making their move.
And, on May 8, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported that the FBI had opened a criminal investigation as well, according to Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie.


“BLM workers on alert after wrangler threatened with gun on I-15.” During the incident:

The men, wearing hoods, held up a sign, apparently scrawled on a piece of paper, that read, “You need to die.” One of the men pointed what appeared to be a Glock handgun at the wrangler.
The wrangler tried to make out a license plate number, but the plate had been covered with duct tape, Reid said.

http://www.alternet.org/you-need-die...age=1#bookmark

If these assholes were black ...

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^didn't read much past the first few sentences but who gives a
It's great TV.

and riding on the front of a 4 wheeler going a few miles an hour isn't ing dangerous you pussies

It's not like the er is hauling ass doing wheelies up the hill side.

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This protest was the brainchild of a public official, San Juan County Commissioner Phil Lyman, who contends that this town of 3,500 residents has tried hard to compromise with the bureau to reopen scenic Recapture Canyon to all-terrain vehicles. BLM officials banned the vehicles to protect archaeological sites, a move residents say has cheated them out of a prime recreational area.

Unlike in the Bundy incident, no guns were brandished here, but the words were volatile. "If you make a rule that I have to lick your boots," Lyman said of federal officials, "I'm just not going to do that."

"This is not about Recapture. It is not about ATVs. It is not politics, it is not economics," he said. "It is part of who I am. It is part of Blanding, and it is our culture, too. We don't not want to see groups come in and say these trails did not exist ... it was a thoroughfare since the mid-1800s."

Which is about when a big-government program called the U.S. Cavalry came along and cleared out all the natives so that, one day, Phil Lyman could help people dodge taxes and act like a jackass on weekends.

If you vote for Phil Lyman, you are voting for sedition.

If you are Fox News, and you celebrate him, you are celebrating sedition.

It is long past time for the Republican party to fish or cut bait on this end of movement conservatism.

Either support the seditious philosophy of local control, or oppose it.

But they shouldn't be allowed any more to use its energy during election years and then walk away after the votes are cast.

There far too much loose talk in respectable Republican circles about nullification, secession, and the crackpot theories of county government that used to be the exclusive ideological province of the Posse Comitatus movement.

(There is also too much loose talk about impeachment, too, but that's a whole 'nother kettle of scrod.) Increasingly, there is no apparent fringe to conservative rhetoric, let alone any real limits.

Somebody within that party has to step up and rein this lunacy in, or else embrace it publicly as the party's basic philosophy, or else euphemisms may not be the only things that die in those deserts.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politic...protest-051214

Have to wonder how much of this bubba bawling, roused rabble, conspiracies, witch hunting, govt defieance would have happened under a Repug WH?

Obviously under Clinton and now The Negro, it's going full blast

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BLM Shooting Suspect Was Allegedly Camping Illegally On Federal Land

Brent Douglas Cole, the man accused of shooting a Bureau of Land Management ranger and a California Highway Patrol officer earlier this month in a national forest, was allegedly camping illegally on federal land when the confrontation occurred.

The Sacramento Bee reported Saturday that the BLM ranger and the highway patrol officer, who were both wounded, had been investigating Cole's campground when the gunfire erupted. Cole, who was also shot in the incident, is facing charges of attempted murder, according to the Bee.

The law enforcement officers were attempting to tow motorcycles from Cole's campsite immediately preceding the shootout, according to the Bee.
As TPM previously reported, Cole has been linked to the "sovereign citizens" movement, which views the federal government as an illegitimate conspiracy.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...rowdignite.com

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OK's weirdest of the weird

Oath Keepers NY official calls on cops to disobey orders, join war vs. socialist tyranny

An official with New York’s Oath Keepers organization denied the group held “far-right, anti-government views,” and then called on law enforcement officers to disobey orders and join them in their fight against socialist tyranny.

t, vice president of the state’s Oath Keepers group, cited an alleged New York State Intelligence Center counterterrorism bulletin reportedly leaked to InfoWars that linked the organization and similar groups to the recent shootings of law enforcement officers by extremists.

Wallace complains that the do ent, which has not been confirmed as legitimate, based its conclusions on news reports by “left-wing” and “communist” organizations such as the New York Times, Huffington Post, and CNN.

“How can you be in favor of the Cons ution, how can you take an oath to protect and defend the Cons ution and be a patriot, and be somehow put on a terrorist list made up and manufactured by basically communist organizations?”

The Oath Keepers are primarily made up of current and former law enforcement officers who promise not to enforce laws they deem to be uncons utional – and they urge others to do the same.

“Should the time ever come when you find yourselves in the streets of our cities or small towns facing your fellow American citizens who are simply exercising their cons utional God-given guaranteed rights to demand that freedom and liberty exist in this state, and we ask you – all the police officers out there – to remember your oath,” Wallace said.

He claimed Gov. Andrew Cuomo had used the intelligence bulletin – if it’s legitimate – to turn “hundreds of thousands” of “peaceable” New Yorkers into criminals “with the stroke of a pen.”

etc. etc. etc

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/2...rowdignite.com

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Fun Times with Cliven Bundy

The Nevada Sheriff who played the role of intermediary between Cliven Bundy and the BLM says the BLM's tactics helped escalate the crisis. But this quote also gives some sense of the frustrations inherent in trying to deal with Mr. Bundy ...

"My counsel (to Bundy) was:

You have no legal standing; you choose not to go to federal court and argue your case," Gillespie said. "But he would not recognize the federal government.

So dealing with him wasn't making a lot of success."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...+%28TPMNews%29

Feds should give Bundy's $M bill to a collection agency, or maybe Dog The Bounty Hunter, or Lizard Lick.