[WC 14] GROUP B: Australia, Chile, Netherlands & Spain

[ElNono]

People absolutely hate Costa in Spain

Guys on marca.com are going nuts

From there:

TIQUICACA

[elemento]

Got owned by "Indios con arco y flecha" as they called the Chileans on marca.com

[diego]

2 euros and a wc is anything but flukey. They may suck now but let's not overreact. They were super dominant and one of the GOAT footballing sides.

After watching this game it is clear to me why they are looking like . They are not playing tiki taka at all. They are playing long ball to costa and that is really one of the most idiotic coaching decisions I've ever seen given their players. Their midfield is empty many times and they are going much more to the wing. That first half played against netherlands was tikitaka and they looked very nice in it (defense bit shaky, but that's expected). Obviously, the team can't play the wing/long ball and this leads to sterile attacks and an exposed defense.

Del bosque really ed them deep and hard in the ass with his stubborness of playing a system that's got nothing to do with the skills of the team. People will say it's because tikitaka is done but if you really look at the bad football they played (2nd half vs NED, both halves vs CHL) you'd see that was not tiki taka at all. Got to say that I'm pleased that such a dangerous lot of players is out but as a football fan I feel cheated by bosques idiocy.

A goat team that won a WC beating honduras, chile, portugal , Paraguay, Germany and holland with 8 goals for (how many of which came from "tiki taka" ? I'm sure at least half were penalties, corners and set pieces). The only good team they beat was Germany, whose stars were? Exactly.
I'll give them that they're good, not goat of abythibg though. The press invented this tiki taka bull , do you think this is the first team that plays a possession style?

[dfens]

same happened to france in 2002 after winning 2 compe ions. Hard for the coach to change a winning team even though many of the players are done.

good point there with the change of tactics, but spain is not done because players are done/old.
Ramos/silva/bisquits/martinez/alba/albiol/pique/fabregas/pedro are from the same team that raped euros and wcs. They are all under 27 ffs. That's not done.
Even xavi at 33 and iniesta at 30 looked fit. Now compare that to france's very old team. Not the same imo.

Del bosque ed up horribly by completely by trying to change an excellent system, well suited for their players. I'd put this debacle on him 70%. The team lost faith pretty quick in this idiocy and thus played with zero heart. I find this as the most reasonable explanation.

[Venti Quattro]

[NASpurs]

Bas , I posted that in the lol Spain thread.

[dfens]

A goat team that won a WC beating honduras, chile, portugal , Paraguay, Germany and holland with 8 goals for (how many of which came from "tiki taka" ? I'm sure at least half were penalties, corners and set pieces). The only good team they beat was Germany, whose stars were? Exactly.
I'll give them that they're good, not goat of abythibg though. The press invented this tiki taka bull , do you think this is the first team that plays a possession style?

tiki taka isn't JUST possesion football. It's quick passes that destabilize a defense and a defense based on high pressing and ball retention.
besides honduras those were all good(chl, paraguay, swiss) or great teams(ger, hol, portugal) so that's not an easy run. And they won by playing tiki taka, not simple possession football. They pressed like mad and axphyxiated the other teams. That portugal team was excellent. That same "who" german team raped a very nice argentina team and destroyed england. Paraguay won its group. The netherlands went through brazil and uruguay. That's a decent run by any defnition.

you are overreacting

[DAF86]

tiki taka isn't JUST possesion football. It's quick passes that destabilize a defense and a defense based on high pressing and ball retention.
besides honduras those were all good(chl, paraguay, swiss) or great teams(ger, hol, portugal) so that's not an easy run. And they won by playing tiki taka, not simple possession football. They pressed like mad and axphyxiated the other teams. That portugal team was excellent. That same "who" german team raped a very nice argentina team and destroyed england. Paraguay won its group. The netherlands went through brazil and uruguay. That's a decent run by any defnition.

you are overreacting

At Portugal being a great team.

[dfens]

At Portugal being a great team.

i beg to differ. They played very decent football in 2010. I'd easily argue better than argentina. Only spain, germany, netherlands and uruguay played better at that tournament.

[dfens]

i beg to differ. They played very decent football in 2010. I'd easily argue better than argentina. Only spain, germany, netherlands and uruguay played better at that tournament.

come to think of it uruguay is debatable.

[IronMaxipad]

edit: damn you NASpurs

[Sportstudi]

Bravo going to Barca for 12 million

[Venti Quattro]

[NASpurs]

edit: damn you NASpurs

stole your source

[IronMaxipad]

stole your source

Do you have an account yet or still a lurker?

[NASpurs]

Do you have an account yet or still a lurker?

Started an account like three years ago, didn't get the confirmation email until six months later. I'm not active though. Still mostly lurk.

[IronMaxipad]

Started an account like three years ago, didn't get the confirmation email until six months later. I'm not active though. Still mostly lurk.

. I took like a year before my account was activated tbh. I only post in offtopic though since i don't really game that much anymore.

[diego]

tiki taka isn't JUST possesion football. It's quick passes that destabilize a defense and a defense based on high pressing and ball retention.
besides honduras those were all good(chl, paraguay, swiss) or great teams(ger, hol, portugal) so that's not an easy run. And they won by playing tiki taka, not simple possession football. They pressed like mad and axphyxiated the other teams. That portugal team was excellent. That same "who" german team raped a very nice argentina team and destroyed england. Paraguay won its group. The netherlands went through brazil and uruguay. That's a decent run by any defnition.

you are overreacting

The netherlands went trhough a Brasil that beat itself and a thin uruguayo team that got hot at thw right time big whoop. Argentina hasnt had any defenderse for nearly a decade, wgaf Germán y beat them. Portugal Paraguay and swiss who they post to lowest scoring wc champ ever fluked out on a easy path, the only big game they won was with a puyol header on a corner oooohh tiki taka give me a ing break

[NASpurs]

. I took like a year before my account was activated tbh. I only post in offtopic though since i don't really game that much anymore.

Same here. I have the off-topic section bookmarked and rarely go to the other side. Those gots were talking about having their women stick up their ass earlier. Apparently I'm closed minded and thought that ing was gay. I'm not an "enlightened".

[urunobili]

Chile and Holland out of this one

With a game yet to be played...

[DAF86]

i beg to differ. They played very decent football in 2010. I'd easily argue better than argentina. Only spain, germany, netherlands and uruguay played better at that tournament.

The are you talking about? Portugal won just 1 game, that being North Korea, one of the worst teams to be a part of the WC in recent memory.

[IronMaxipad]

Same here. I have the off-topic section bookmarked and rarely go to the other side. Those gots were talking about having their women stick up their ass earlier. Apparently I'm closed minded and thought that ing was gay. I'm not an "enlightened".

Are you talking about this thread?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=839714

dafuq..

My gf sometimes uses her middlefinger to dig out poop lol. When I see her without a fake nail on her middlefinger, I know what she did and what she wants from me. It's sexy

There are a lot of techniques to clean yourself anyway.

[diego]

Not to mention a high press exists since at least the 70s

[NASpurs]

Are you talking about this thread?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=839714

dafuq..

Yeah that's it. And it's funny how they tell people they're phobes for not wanting to stick things up your ass. Some guy says that's where comes out from and they tell him to grow up. I ing hate that forum sometimes, bunch of elitist pricks.

[dfens]

The netherlands went trhough a Brasil that beat itself and a thin uruguayo team that got hot at thw right time big whoop. Argentina hasnt had any defenderse for nearly a decade, wgaf Germán y beat them. Portugal Paraguay and swiss who they post to lowest scoring wc champ ever fluked out on a easy path, the only big game they won was with a puyol header on a corner oooohh tiki taka give me a ing break

so what would of been a hard path? play against that brasil? play against no defense argentina? play against ghana? usa? england? mexico? south korea?

Arguably they had almost the hardest possible path. Here's why.
The teams that lost in the 1/8 are: south korea, usa, slovakia, chile, mexico, england, japan and portugal. Out of these portugal was (almost easily) the best team.
The teams that lost in the 1/4 are: paraguay, argentina, brazil, ghana. I might say that brazil looked stronger but not by much.
the teams that lost in the 1/2 are: germany, uruguay. Clearly they beat the best team.
Netherlands in the finals.

So that's the best possible 1/8 opponent, the second best 1/4 opponent, the best SF opponent and NED no2 elo/fifa rankings in the finals.

HOW THE IS THAT AN EASY PATH?

the lowest scoring champ because all the other teams were dominated and thus parked the bus to prevent conceding. Why not mention of the best defenses of all time helped by tiki-takanacio.
@the only big game they won was with a puyol header on a corner so the finals is not a big game??? Not to mention that vs germany they outclassed them and forced löw to publicly declare they were beaten by a better team.


cmon son if you want to debate at least come with something reasonable, this is garbage.