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    he's just not athletic enough to beat defenders off the dribble
    Honestly, this is one of the dumbest ing things I've ever read. Are you even a Spurs fan? When, in recent memory, have the Spurs relied on beating a defender off the dribble to create offense? Basketball IQ and ball movement are much more highly valued. Jezus.

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    im not worried about his shot

    he's just not athletic enough to beat defenders off the dribble, so his bball iq/passing ability wont mean much offensively, on the defensive end he's gonna be a huge liability
    I imagine that he'll spend most of the year in Austin. I'm reserving judgement until we see much more of him.

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    Honestly, this is one of the dumbest ing things I've ever read. Are you even a Spurs fan? When, in recent memory, have the Spurs relied on beating a defender off the dribble to create offense? Basketball IQ and ball movement are much more highly valued. Jezus.
    Lol, u really think the spurs offense would be as effective if the spurs players just pass the ball around the perimeter? Spurs attacked the paint, they won the ship because players like diaw etc... attacked the paint beating their guys closing out off the dribble when okc/heat trapped parker

    you're really questioning whether or not i am a spurs fan because im not high on anderson?

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    No I havent watched it
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    Ah.

    He didn't have very many. The ball movement was really horrid. He went like one for three in the first half and should have drawn a foul on one of his misses. The fact that he had one bad jumper in the game puts him miles ahead of everyone else on the roster. Did I mention that he was checking the number one pick in the draft and held him to an abysmal percentage without fouling him? Why the do we care how many touches he had?

    Because for all the nut-hugging that goes on here without actually watching the kid play in college, all I read is how great his IQ is, how great of a passer he is, former PG; one would assume if he got many touches he should at least have 1 assist in 20 plus minutes to go with his ST rep.


    Operative word being "former"; he was the starting small forward. Does high basketball IQ mean stealing the ball from teammates that won't pass? Again, I'm not sure what you expect. He was given the toughest defensive assignment in the entire summer league, and he just went and did his job. That's very Spur-like to me.

    Why is that the "operative word?" people on here seem to claim he ran the show at UCLA. We aren't talking about his defensive assignment, but if you want to go there, fine. He got the lit out of him on slow step-backs by a average-at-best jump shooter. Wiggins is extremely raw and unpolished, and wasn't even the best player on his team.


    So you saw a highlight off NBATV. What you missed is that Wiggins had to block with his off hand as Anderson went up. It was a pretty amazing defensive play. Anderson had three steals, one turnover (the shoulder bump on Wiggins) and one personal foul. Not sure how you can't be impressed by that, unless, of course, you just judged him off one highlight and perusing the box score.
    Yes, I saw the highlight, he took a slow, weak attempt and got blocked. You think that's not going to happen against polished and taller players? Again, I said I have watched quite a few of his college games, his first SL game, etc. And no, Im not impressed that he got blocked, but had 6 rebounds. That's not "lottery talent" to me.

    It's pretty embarrassing to base your evaluation of him on numbers. Not sure why any Spurs fan would do something like that. Austin Daye was the fifteenth pick in the draft, has played on actual NBA teams for four years, and absolutely dominates the ball in summer league and still has embarrassing numbers.

    You must have a problem with reading comprehension, but from a homer, it's right in line.

    Sorry. People who make snap judgments with absolutely zero information to go on piss me off. I take the time to watch the games, sometimes more than once, rewinding to see who did what before I make judgments, and people reading on this forum might make the mistake of thinking you know what the you're talking about. Guess that annoys me a bit. Sorry again for that.
    I haven't made a snap decision, as stated before, I've watched him play several times, and I dont revert to shoulda-coulda-woulda. He played a ty game, against inferior players. get over it.

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    Anderson is not Diaw. He has some similar skills, but he needs to bulk up to post down low. He's got similar skills as Diaw but he's too skinny to be effective right now. If you aren't faster then you have to be taller and stronger.

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    I imagine that he'll spend most of the year in Austin. I'm reserving judgement until we see much more of him.
    I would agree that it doesnt matter what he looks like now, in Austin, in blowouts, it only matters what he looks like playing with a "real" line-up, but it's still fun to rile the crowd.

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    Anderson looked fine along with Thomas and Green. It was the rest of the scrubs, especially Daye and Ayres who just looked awful. Does anyone know if we are stuck with Daye's full contract?

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    Anderson looked fine along with Thomas and Green. It was the rest of the scrubs, especially Daye and Ayres who just looked awful. Does anyone know if we are stuck with Daye's full contract?
    Yes, all 1.25M of it

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    Yes, Wiggins missed shots but it had nothing to do with KA's defense.
    Anderson's defense was pretty putrid. He's going to have a lot of work to do to get passable.

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    Yes, all 1.25M of it

    Can we still buy him out for the full amount to open up the extra roster spot?

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    Yes, all 1.25M of it
    Well that sucks. His problem is completely between the ears. But I am not sure anything can fix that four years into his career. I hope I am wrong.

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    Can we still buy him out for the full amount to open up the extra roster spot?
    A buyout usually refers to a situation where the waived player agrees to take less than his actual salary to become a free agent and sign with another team (e.g. Boris Diaw). There is no reason for Daye to do that though.
    So the Spurs would just waive him and pay him the full salary if they wanted to open up another roster spot.

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    Can we still buy him out for the full amount to open up the extra roster spot?
    If by "buy him out" you mean simply waive him and pay him his full salary then yes.

    A buy out typically has a player leaving money on the table in order to leave the team and sign elsewhere. Daye might not be able to get another NBA gig if released, so he has no incentive to leave any money on the table.

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    they even showed a highlight of bennet making a long jumper, with what i thought was one of the worst shooting motions ever, just watch the body control he doesn't have, truly truly awful.

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    If by "buy him out" you mean simply waive him and pay him his full salary then yes.

    A buy out typically has a player leaving money on the table in order to leave the team and sign elsewhere. Daye might not be able to get another NBA gig if released, so he has no incentive to leave any money on the table.

    Thank you. Do you think the Spurs should waive him and pay him the full amount in order open up the extra roster spot?

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    Can someone tell me if Diaw was slow when he first came into the league? I'm pretty sure that he wasn't, but one of the commentators tried making the comparison in the first game and saying that Diaw was slow when he first entered the league.

    If you ask me, Diaw is still pretty quick when he wants to be, and I don't recall him being slow, as they were saying when he was younger. Do these guys just not know what the F they are talking about?

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    The Diaw / Anderson comparisons are missing one key point. Coming into the draft, Diaw was one of the most athletic prospects out of the entire pool of players. Anderson? Not so much.

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    The Diaw / Anderson comparisons are missing one key point. Coming into the draft, Diaw was one of the most athletic prospects out of the entire pool of players. Anderson? Not so much.
    This is the reason I soured on him in the run up to the draft. He's likely still a good value player at #30, but I just don't know how he will be able to see the floor in the NBA. Don't see how he guards anyone on the perimeter and he doesn't have Diaws size to bang in the post.

    I'm not sure if you can ever call a pick a the end of the first round a 'bust' because expectations should rightfully be kept low, but I'm just not sure where he fits.

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    Can someone tell me if Diaw was slow when he first came into the league? I'm pretty sure that he wasn't, but one of the commentators tried making the comparison in the first game and saying that Diaw was slow when he first entered the league.

    If you ask me, Diaw is still pretty quick when he wants to be, and I don't recall him being slow, as they were saying when he was younger. Do these guys just not know what the F they are talking about?
    No, Diaw wasn't near as slow as Anderson. Coming into the league, Diaw had average quickness/foot speed and above average athleticism or 'hops'. Anderson's going to have a tough time making it in the league. Even Nash was quicker than him.

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    Okay, I just watched the game again. Anderson checked Wiggins on all but four of his shots. Of those four, I think Embiid was checking him on three, one of which was at the end of the shot clock. Every jump shot was contested. If your expectation is that Anderson was supposed to be blocking Wiggins on jumpers, then you don't watch much basketball, because it's simply not something that happens very often. JaMychal Green blocked a jumper once in two games, and that kid is really athletic. You want them contested, which drops percentages dramatically, which means being nearby. Don't get lost, don't get screened. Contesting jumpers, he did his job.

    There were a couple of times that Anderson played really close to Wiggins, and it was usually when there was a screener nearby. Anderson guessed wrong twice, resulting in Wiggins going hard to the basket the opposite direction and drawing fouls, and once, someone was wide open under the basket because nobody rotated. Let's put all three of those on Anderson, and it still was a pretty damn good defensive job. Anderson lost track of his man a couple of times against Sacramento and was out of position to contest threes. He did that zero times in game 2. His head was on a swivel, he always knew where Wiggins was, was in his pocket on cuts, and cheated away smartly, getting two steals, causing two more and getting a block.

    He was not drafted to be a shut down defender, but from what I'm seeing so far, he plays super smart team defense and learns from his mistakes.

    As far as looking like Diaw, he does. It's undeniable to me. I don't think that either of them are slow, but Diaw is an elite athlete and was characterized that way. That should tell you something. Anderson doesn't look hindered physically at all, and he doesn't look surprised by the speed and power of NBA compe ion the way some of his teammates do. He picks his spots like Diaw does and suddenly just goes and gets a rebound you don't expect him to, or he goes up and makes a block you didn't think he could. I think the reason he got his nickname is because of the way he plays, not because he's a terrible athlete. That little diagonal run to the basket he does seems like it takes forever, but he manages to get shots up with a guy hanging on his shoulder. It's very odd, and surprisingly effective. I imagine that was an unguardable move against college players.

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    Okay, I just watched the game again. Anderson checked Wiggins on all but four of his shots. Of those four, I think Embiid was checking him on three, one of which was at the end of the shot clock. Every jump shot was contested. If your expectation is that Anderson was supposed to be blocking Wiggins on jumpers, then you don't watch much basketball, because it's simply not something that happens very often. JaMychal Green blocked a jumper once in two games, and that kid is really athletic. You want them contested, which drops percentages dramatically, which means being nearby. Don't get lost, don't get screened. Contesting jumpers, he did his job.

    There were a couple of times that Anderson played really close to Wiggins, and it was usually when there was a screener nearby. Anderson guessed wrong twice, resulting in Wiggins going hard to the basket the opposite direction and drawing fouls, and once, someone was wide open under the basket because nobody rotated. Let's put all three of those on Anderson, and it still was a pretty damn good defensive job. Anderson lost track of his man a couple of times against Sacramento and was out of position to contest threes. He did that zero times in game 2. His head was on a swivel, he always knew where Wiggins was, was in his pocket on cuts, and cheated away smartly, getting two steals, causing two more and getting a block.

    He was not drafted to be a shut down defender, but from what I'm seeing so far, he plays super smart team defense and learns from his mistakes.

    As far as looking like Diaw, he does. It's undeniable to me. I don't think that either of them are slow, but Diaw is an elite athlete and was characterized that way. That should tell you something. Anderson doesn't look hindered physically at all, and he doesn't look surprised by the speed and power of NBA compe ion the way some of his teammates do. He picks his spots like Diaw does and suddenly just goes and gets a rebound you don't expect him to, or he goes up and makes a block you didn't think he could. I think the reason he got his nickname is because of the way he plays, not because he's a terrible athlete. That little diagonal run to the basket he does seems like it takes forever, but he manages to get shots up with a guy hanging on his shoulder. It's very odd, and surprisingly effective. I imagine that was an unguardable move against college players.
    I am really really glad you said this, especially the part I made bold.
    I have been saying this all along after watching his highlight reels concerning his "supposed" suspect athleticism in being too slow.
    The SloMo moniker really comes from "making the game look like he is playing the game in slow motion", rather than because he is some sort of terrible athlete or too slow IMHO.
    Some of you out there need to grasp this concept, when the game itself seems to be moving in slow motion, which includes not only him, but also ALL the players around him, then the correct moves whether it be a pass, a shot, or a hand off, it becomes infinitely easier to make the right decision at the right time, he sees the floor.
    I have not seen this type of ability since I used to watch Magic Johnson play, and consequently why some make comparisons of him to Magic, not just to Boris.
    With the ball in his hands he becomes a facilitator and a creator.
    He even said as much himself, that his being slow is overrated and somewhat exaggerated, plus he knows he needs to focus more on defense in San Antonio and looks forward to it with relish as has been reported in recent interviews.
    And he says he is glad about that and will improve as he grasps the Spurs system which he believes he will quickly be able to do.
    He already feels comfortable dissecting the Spurs offense even now and described one of Diaws' plays that he saw develop in the finals before anyone else saw it develop.
    Plus Kyle Anderson has a couple of huge reputable fans even as he was coming out of high school with Lebron James and Kevin Durant who both said to keep an eye on this kid because he was going to be great.
    That is some high praise and recommendation that no one should ignore.
    We are seeing flashes of it in the summer league already as has been reported above by Obstructed View.
    Thanks for covering this so well, O V.

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    Okay, I just watched the game again. Anderson checked Wiggins on all but four of his shots. Of those four, I think Embiid was checking him on three, one of which was at the end of the shot clock. Every jump shot was contested. If your expectation is that Anderson was supposed to be blocking Wiggins on jumpers, then you don't watch much basketball, because it's simply not something that happens very often. JaMychal Green blocked a jumper once in two games, and that kid is really athletic. You want them contested, which drops percentages dramatically, which means being nearby. Don't get lost, don't get screened. Contesting jumpers, he did his job.

    There were a couple of times that Anderson played really close to Wiggins, and it was usually when there was a screener nearby. Anderson guessed wrong twice, resulting in Wiggins going hard to the basket the opposite direction and drawing fouls, and once, someone was wide open under the basket because nobody rotated. Let's put all three of those on Anderson, and it still was a pretty damn good defensive job. Anderson lost track of his man a couple of times against Sacramento and was out of position to contest threes. He did that zero times in game 2. His head was on a swivel, he always knew where Wiggins was, was in his pocket on cuts, and cheated away smartly, getting two steals, causing two more and getting a block.

    He was not drafted to be a shut down defender, but from what I'm seeing so far, he plays super smart team defense and learns from his mistakes.

    As far as looking like Diaw, he does. It's undeniable to me. I don't think that either of them are slow, but Diaw is an elite athlete and was characterized that way. That should tell you something. Anderson doesn't look hindered physically at all, and he doesn't look surprised by the speed and power of NBA compe ion the way some of his teammates do. He picks his spots like Diaw does and suddenly just goes and gets a rebound you don't expect him to, or he goes up and makes a block you didn't think he could. I think the reason he got his nickname is because of the way he plays, not because he's a terrible athlete. That little diagonal run to the basket he does seems like it takes forever, but he manages to get shots up with a guy hanging on his shoulder. It's very odd, and surprisingly effective. I imagine that was an unguardable move against college players.
    Great post! I've been watching people post on how horrid his defense is and thinking wtf have they been watching. He's never going to be Kahwi but he doesn't look horrible on defense at all. As far as speed, I'm not comparing his game to Manu but he kind of has a similar awkward body movement style that makes him look like he's moving slower than he actually is. I think we'll see him crack the rotation this season, definitely not being sent down to the D league.

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    his slow release worries me more than his footspeed tbh. if he's able to accelerate his shot with the help of chip, i can see him being a turkoglu type (hopefully not including his choking act with the Spurs)

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    Anderson was crossing people over and cutting to the basket quite effectively. He surprised me with the spurts of speed he showed in the Sac game. It doesn't help playing w ball hogs trying to make the team or Daye going 1-8 on 3s. Anderson was able to get Daye quite a few open looks. If he hit them, Kyle could have finish the game with 8-9 assist.

    He showed enough to me the first game that w better talent around him, he will be an effective player in the league.

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