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    Italy did what we're doing now.
    italy is a barely first world country that doesn’t have the healthcare infrastructure we do. free garbage is still garbage

    Thats called getting new information, not moving the goalposts. The US is about 2 weeks behind than italy, and already has 3000 cases, and thats with limited testing. 60 confirmed deaths. Every Countries job is to limit spreading the disease and deaths. If after several months (plural not singular), it is clear that the numbers are low, its due to the effort that has been made, not because the Illness was overblown.
    it’ll mostly be the latter
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    And half of those deaths came by way of nursing home. The mortality rate is less than you think. By a mile
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    And half of those deaths came by way of nursing home. The mortality rate is less than you think. By a mile
    Yep.

    So now that this is not contained and VERY transmissible how many people in the US are expected to get the virus? Because the mortality rate is low, but if the number of infections are high, the number of deaths will be a large number. So what’s your estimate of number infected in the US after it passes?
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    italy is a barely first world country that doesn’t have the healthcare infrastructure we do. free garbage is still garbage



    it’ll mostly be the latter
    This is the kind of Disinformation that kills people. Italy has universal Healthcare, which by definition is better than anything what the US believe they have. If you are poor, your are f***ed* in the US. Which in this crisis is deadly for everybody.

    So please, please, please with sugar on the top get yourself informed by facts, not by propaganda. Listen to scientist, doctors and politicans who believe in science and facts. Even Republican Governors and Mayors have reacted, and i am talking about hardcore right wingers. False information can kill people at times like these. The US has already a higher infection rate, than most countries at this stage, and thats only the cases that have been tested.
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    Yep.

    So now that this is not contained and VERY transmissible how many people in the US are expected to get the virus? Because the mortality rate is low, but if the number of infections are high, the number of deaths will be a large number. So what’s your estimate of number infected in the US after it passes?
    It already has passed. But now you have everyone in a panic to get tested. But your conveniently leave out the tens or hundreds of tthousands who had or have it and it's not a big deal. It's like people misusing alcohol related death stats. Anyone has a drink of alcohol in a car or not and included as a person in the wreck ots charted as an alcohol related fatality. Misleading stats. Death rate will go up. Why. People who are sick and dying dead will be tested. You healthy you dont go in.

    85 out of 100 be fine. They dont need to go in. Maybe 5 do. The 15 that will be go in and get tested.... so 20 tested maybe 2 die. Look at that percent in the media. You dont see it's really 2 out of 100
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    It already has passed. But now you have everyone in a panic to get tested. But your conveniently leave out the tens or hundreds of tthousands who had or have it and it's not a big deal. It's like people misusing alcohol related death stats. Anyone has a drink of alcohol in a car or not and included as a person in the wreck ots charted as an alcohol related fatality. Misleading stats. Death rate will go up. Why. People who are sick and dying dead will be tested. You healthy you dont go in.

    85 out of 100 be fine. They dont need to go in. Maybe 5 do. The 15 that will be go in and get tested.... so 20 tested maybe 2 die. Look at that percent in the media. You dont see it's really 2 out of 100
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    You are widely wrong.
    Go to the CDC sites and quote this.
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    Italy did what we're doing now.
    But with a more appealing accent!
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    You are widely wrong.
    Go to the CDC sites and quote this.
    Lol ok. They have No idea. Opioid crisis. Antibiotic issues. Not even prepared for a pandemic. Go ahead and believe them. Also, stop eating processed meat. You are more likely to die from that than you are the coronavirus per the cdc
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    Lol ok. They have No idea. Opioid crisis. Antibiotic issues. Not even prepared for a pandemic. Go ahead and believe them. Also, stop eating processed meat. You are more likely to die from that than you are the coronavirus per the cdc
    American Hospital Association

    Best guess

    96,000,000 infections
    4,800,000 hospitalized
    1,900,000 ICU admissions
    450,000 deaths

    Where did you get your “Its already passed”?
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    The area around Milan is prosperous and advanced, with good medical infrastructure. How are you so knowledgeable about it?
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    Lol ok. They have No idea. Opioid crisis. Antibiotic issues. Not even prepared for a pandemic. Go ahead and believe them. Also, stop eating processed meat. You are more likely to die from that than you are the coronavirus per the cdc
    Who is “them” ?

    And who do you believe since you seem to have access to good info?
    Or are you an epidemiologist running your own numbers?
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    Lol ok. They have No idea. Opioid crisis. Antibiotic issues. Not even prepared for a pandemic. Go ahead and believe them. Also, stop eating processed meat. You are more likely to die from that than you are the coronavirus per the cdc
    Who is “them” ?

    And who do you believe since you seem to have access to good info?
    Or are you an epidemiologist running your own numbers?
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    italy is a barely first world country that doesn’t have the healthcare infrastructure we do. free garbage is still garbage
    You think our deaths are low because of healthcare infrastructure?
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    It already has passed. But now you have everyone in a panic to get tested. But your conveniently leave out the tens or hundreds of tthousands who had or have it and it's not a big deal. It's like people misusing alcohol related death stats. Anyone has a drink of alcohol in a car or not and included as a person in the wreck ots charted as an alcohol related fatality. Misleading stats. Death rate will go up. Why. People who are sick and dying dead will be tested. You healthy you dont go in.

    85 out of 100 be fine. They dont need to go in. Maybe 5 do. The 15 that will be go in and get tested.... so 20 tested maybe 2 die. Look at that percent in the media. You dont see it's really 2 out of 100
    You pretty much usually see it's around 2%, which is terrible.
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    italy is a barely first world country that doesn’t have the healthcare infrastructure we do. free garbage is still garbage


    United States has barely the same healthcare system than Italy in terms of quality and way behind a lot of countries. Stop watching ER, the good doctor, grey anatomy...

    https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/reve...-systems-2019/
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    Who is “them” ?

    And who do you believe since you seem to have access to good info?
    Or are you an epidemiologist running your own numbers?
    he probably watch fauxnews and believe all the crap they say
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    You pretty much usually see it's around 2%, which is terrible.
    Not really. If you dont go in unless you need to go in, and everyone uses appropriate hygiene I believe that this would also decrease. My whole point revolves around misleading stats and panic inducing media has purported hide rather than hygiene.

    Next year 1 person gets the flu or this respiratory virus does the world shut down? No matter what happens here, see the guy above, everyone will think hiding worked. When in reality, no one will ever know because everyone seems to think that the only real cases are those that are tested and confirmed. It's crazy.
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    Not really. If you dont go in unless you need to go in, and everyone uses appropriate hygiene I believe that this would also decrease. My whole point revolves around misleading stats and panic inducing media has purported hide rather than hygiene.

    Next year 1 person gets the flu or this respiratory virus does the world shut down? No matter what happens here, see the guy above, everyone will think hiding worked. When in reality, no one will ever know because everyone seems to think that the only real cases are those that are tested and confirmed. It's crazy.
    How do you think you're the only person who knows that people haven't been tested?

    You're creating narratives out of thin air. It's crazy.
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    Not really. If you dont go in unless you need to go in, and everyone uses appropriate hygiene I believe that this would also decrease. My whole point revolves around misleading stats and panic inducing media has purported hide rather than hygiene.

    Next year 1 person gets the flu or this respiratory virus does the world shut down? No matter what happens here, see the guy above, everyone will think hiding worked. When in reality, no one will ever know because everyone seems to think that the only real cases are those that are tested and confirmed. It's crazy.
    Do you understand that protection of the population is to spread the pic over a longer period of time so emergency can react instead of being overwhelmed with too many sick people at the same time. Next year hopefully, a lot of people will have developed antibodies and a vaccin will have been found. The flu has a contamination rate 2-3 times smaller.
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    italy is a barely first world country that doesn’t have the healthcare infrastructure we do. free garbage is still garbage
    LOL, you choose to be uninformed and spread bad information. Italy has a better, more comprehensive healthcare system than the US, it's just being inundated because they ignored the data on c19 like the US.

    You are not only embarrassing yourself, but dangerous. All your posts show that don't give a about anyone but yourself, so why would any of us listen to you?

    Just be quiet.
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    How do you think you're the only person who knows that people haven't been tested?

    You're creating narratives out of thin air. It's crazy.
    What are you talking about that's the whole scare. Testing. Additionally, I'm not the only one who knows people have it of have had it and dont get tested. That is a fact.
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    Not really. If you dont go in unless you need to go in, and everyone uses appropriate hygiene I believe that this would also decrease. My whole point revolves around misleading stats and panic inducing media has purported hide rather than hygiene.

    Next year 1 person gets the flu or this respiratory virus does the world shut down? No matter what happens here, see the guy above, everyone will think hiding worked. When in reality, no one will ever know because everyone seems to think that the only real cases are those that are tested and confirmed. It's crazy.
    I see your point and I agree somewhat.
    Except for one obvious thing.
    This virus is ultra transmissible, much easier to acquire than the flu it seems based on current data.

    And unnecessary panic. The buck stops here:

    The fundamental principles behind good public health communication are stunningly simple and obvious

    Be consistent. Be accurate. Don’t withhold vital information. And above all, don’t let anyone on to the podium without the preparation, knowledge and discipline to deliver vital Health messages.

    Straight from the CDC manual based on botched public health responses in the past.


    Well it’s pretty obvious the current administration does not work like this. Who is in charge now and delivering the statements? is it Pence or Jared Kushner or has that changed again? Trump flies by the seat of his pants and you just don’t do this as a good leader of the most powerful nation on earth.

    We got horrible advice from this administration and the CDC fd up the first round of tests and came too late to admit it. Financial markets and people react poorly when communication is ridiculously bad. And that goes straight to the top in this case. We wanted a new type of leadership, we got it.
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    italy is a barely first world country that doesn’t have the healthcare infrastructure we do. free garbage is still garbage.
    Italy is first-world. Healthcare and otherwise.

    The infant mortality rate in the US (5.8/1,000) is higher than that of Italy (3.3/1,000).

    Northern Italy (where the outbreak started) makes Ferarris we make (well, you get it) . . .
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    What are you talking about that's the whole scare. Testing.
    No. Your narratives are horrible failures.

    Additionally, I'm not the only one who knows people have it of have had it and dont get tested. That is a fact.
    No people who have it aren't being tested. Thanks, Scoop.
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