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Where was he against spurs? I just remember him looking soft n lazy with no d
Just sayin Vuc > Jakob lol he went for 36 and 17 tonight. I love trade season, wish the spurs would make some significant moves but I’m sure only Thad will get traded/bought out
Where was he against spurs? I just remember him looking soft n lazy with no d
Sabonis and Turner were both out for the Pacers. I did not watch the game, but according to the box score, the Pacers’ starting center was Terry Taylor, who is an undrafted shooting guard on a two way contract. I should hope Vuc would do well. Good heavens.
But the thing is, Taylor got 14 rebounds, including EIGHT offensive boards, and scored 21 points. So maybe Vuc is still not quite the answer.
Raptors, Chicago, Warriors, and Hornets are all the obvious teams looking for center help and should be inquiring about Jakob.
But those 2022 picks range from high teens to late 20s depending on the team (not excellent), so it’ll come down to the player coming back. Don’t see Pat Williams given Chicago’s recent posture, and unclear wtf Warriors are thinking on Wiseman. Toronto’s is meh. PJ Washington might be the only one that might moves the needle for spurs, and also seemingly expendable in CHA.
I wonder if the trade for the Bulls would be Poodle for the injured Patrick Williams, plus a little trade filler. Reunites Vassell with his college teammate. Seems like a bad trade for the Bulls, but it’s more win now stuff.
^ again, they are super high on Williams, so unlikely as . They’ve refused to include him Jerami Grant talks, which is probably is the better fit for CHI than Jakob.
The expectation when trading Poeltl to another team should be that we are trading a role player for another role player.
The goal of the move would be to balance the roster in both scoring-wise (because Poeltl is not a consistent inside or outside threat) and position-wise (since we obviously have too many centers)
IMO, PJ Washington is the best fit here as he is a pretty strong dude and would probably stop the likes of Kuminga when they try to take advantage of the current Spurs lack of length and strength inside.
Doubt OG or Pat would be the pieces that come back if we’re dealing with CHI or TOR. However, if they are, then great. They would achieve the same thing PJ would and that’s to give the Spurs length inside. I wouldn’t expect them to have star upside though (not every player who is 6’6”+, black, has a long wingspan and strong is going to turn out like Kawhi, Spurs fans), as that’s not what we’re sending out with Poeltl.
Last edited by Dejounte; 02-05-2022 at 09:19 AM.
^ apparently Jak + Lonnie for Williams & the lotto protected Portland pick works salary-wise.
So basically Jak for 2 FRPs, one of which was a recent lottery pick with promise. Not a chance Chicago does that.
Before the hype gets too high for PWill since Spurs fans love overrating players on other teams:
Quotes from their own fans
”This sub overrates pwill's defense so much it is insane. He has tools to be a good defender. So far he has barely been average.”
“This is going to be Lauri all over again. Just a bunch of people over-hyping and heaven forbid you say anything that doesn't resonate in the P Willy echo chamber. Any outsiders coming in here would think that Pat is an all star with all defense accolades already. Take all the top 5 draft picks from the last five years in a re-draft and Pat doesn't get picked higher than 18.”
“For sure. I'm hopeful he blossoms, but I'm not at all convinced he will ever amount to much. He is one of the most robotic/tight hipped NBA players I have ever seen. Hard to see him every become elite on either end with that.”
“Pwill has the aggression of a sloth. They should trade him for whatever you can get. You can have all the size in the world….if you don’t have the motor and killer instinct, you’re just a role player.”
There are fans on this message board who think KBD is our PF of the future, Landale is a “mini Jokic,” Eubanks is a “young asset” and the Jak/Zollins combo is the new twin towers.
Sounds like Chicago remain pretty high on him:
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/02/...s-pistons.html
From Chicagos perspective they have to be really high on Pat Will, he’s there only trade chip they have to improve their team imo they don’t trade that asset away for a player like Jakob
And there are fans who think / thought Murray would amount to not much more than a role player, that Kawhi had no star upside, Boris Diaw was washed up, and so forth. It’s bad on both sides and to only acknowledge one side and be blind to the other is stupid. Being blind to one side is just admitting you do the other.
If they believe Poeltl improves their team and moves the needle for them, then yes, they do trade that asset for Jakob. Again, I don’t think it’s likely. But it all depends how a team views Jakob.
Regardless I’m not advocating for Williams one way or another but based on folks who potentially have knowledge of the organizations respective stances the Spurs would want a young player and a first for Jak (which is probably appropriate given his contract) and the Bulls will only move Williams for an absolute difference maker so doesn’t sound like there is a deal to be made.
I was more saying that P Williams has to be the player coming back if they want Poodle. Poodle is on a great contract and one of the best rim defenders this year. These teams thinking they can get him for trash and their 20ish draft pick are ignorant. He’s also played with DDR for 4+ years. I don’t think the Bulls do it because the front office drafted him so high and they want to show how right they are about their pick. Bulls were winning a lot of games without him.
Poodle and Collins may become a thingHence the word may…..both are mobile/agile, can play D, and finish at the rim in different ways. High low is not out of the question;I’ll need to see more of them on the court together
Kuminga would move the needle if the Warriors would include him..
Poeltl for Washington does nothing for me at all. Poeltl isn't the 3 point shooter PJ is but otherwise I would rather have poetlt on both sides of the court. No thanks.
Of course, agree, but he’s off limits. Wiseman is a risk, but probably more in range
Chicago is in a slightly precarious position in that they have showed well, but not really DONE anything, and their best young asset is a UFA this summer. If they fall on their faces in the playoffs, a distinct possibility with DDR in a large role, things could get kinda dicey.
Pat Will is a nice young asset, but he may not be able to help them this year. His return is questionable. I guess it depends if they feel they need to go all in or not. Frankly, I hope they don’t. Anything bad that happens to that franchise helps our ownership of their 2025 FRP.
On a more general level, people are discussing and mostly complaining about possible 2022 FRPs. We shouldn’t want any pick for this year. We already have three that look to be pretty damn good. FRPs requested should be later on down the road. If you have a bunch of picks in one draft, they ALL need to be paid at the same time. That’s why I see Memphis moving at least one of theirs.
The Spurs ain't shopping Jakob, they are getting calls. A young starting caliber player plus a 1st is a good asking price. I don't really want to trade Poeltl, but I'd do it if teams overpay. Hence if you can get a Patrick Williams you take the deal. I'd only do a trade for PJ Washington if we get a future Hornets first (2023 the earliest), since they ain't that good and the pick should still be around the 10-20 range. Bottom line is you only trade him if teams overpay.
By the way Pat Williams is a good player. He started for a full season at 19 years old. He's 20. Has a midrange game, 3 point shot and is a strong and decent defender. The reason why people criticize his defense is because he's out of position a lot and still needs to learn NBA defense schemes. He's far from a liability on that end. The main comparison with him is nephew and we all know who developed him. So if you can get this guy for Poeltl you pull the trigger ASAP.
I find it interesting that people the new name that comes out and act like they are a great player. KJ is a better rebounder and 3 pt shooter then williams. He attempts more ft and 3s as well. the thing that williams is better at is blocking shots. DRTg is almost the same. Williams can still get better but so can KJ. KJ also is not coming off a major injury.
Agreed. The question is if PATFO wants to give Jakob a new deal and what's his asking price. If they already have an agreement for another team-friendly deal, then keep him. But if he asks for too much now is the perfect time to get a good trade for him. If they don't trade him and he doesn't extend before the next season, there's only so much teams will be willing to give up for a rental.
Yeah, I don't think it's fair to criticize him, Bulls were bad last season and current roster is a pretty bad fit for him. Bulls would probably let him go for cheap, but they need big wings and we don't have those. I don't think he should even be in discussions.By the way Pat Williams is a good player. He started for a full season at 19 years old. He's 20. Has a midrange game, 3 point shot and is a strong and decent defender. The reason why people criticize his defense is because he's out of position a lot and still needs to learn NBA defense schemes. He's far from a liability on that end. The main comparison with him is nephew and we all know who developed him. So if you can get this guy for Poeltl you pull the trigger ASAP.
Also, for every nephew there are like 10 OG Anunobys and 100 Stanley Johnsons.
I might be wrong, but I still want JC if Hawks are interested in Derrick. Might be overpaid a bit, but he's literally a perfect fit for a team that has no PF and lacks spacing. And it's not like free agents are lining up to play for the Spurs so we could use those extra 5 to 10 millions elsewhere.
The problem with Chicago isn't team construction -- they're very good. The problem with Chicago is the injuries.
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