Charania: Spurs Have Exploratory Interest In Murray

[baseline bum]

we gotta get on this in a 3 team deal right away




cia pop gets all the apologies if this was his masterplan to acquire reaves without having to outbid for him as a RFA

He's almost as bad as Sochan defensively this year, no thanks.

[Chinook]

DFG doesn't mean a ton for a guard, especially a combo-guard. It's better to have a good one than a bad one, but it doesn't tell much about perimeter defense without much more context.

[Leetonidas]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nb...young-intrigue

"Shams Charania of The Athletic reported this week that the Spurs have an interest in trading for Murray after dealing him two years ago for five first-round picks. (Pretty smart, you get a point guard back and you make the team that owes you five picks worse.)
Charania noted that Murray is under contract, so the Spurs have the leverage. However, there are indications Murray doesn't have significant interest in returning to the Spurs.
A more interesting question is if the Spurs and Hawks would have interest in a deal for Young. League sources have suggested that Young's camp would be open — if he is traded, which is a significant clause here — to pairing Young with Victor Wembanyama. The two teams have already done a big trade for Murray, obviously, and Atlanta would surely be interested in getting back some of the draft picks it sent the Spurs for Murray.
The most likely scenario, obviously, is that the Hawks keep Young and continue to build around him as their franchise cornerstone. But the uncertainty of everything with the Hawks leaves the door open for a lot of outcomes."

"Now for Murray.
Multiple outlets have reported that the Knicks remain interested in Murray after trading OG Anunoby. There will always be some skepticism about the viability of a deal given the Knicks' ties to super-agency CAA and Murray's representation at rival super-agency Klutch Sports. But business is business, and Murray fits the archetype of the kind of two-way player the Knicks want as a star.
However, if we're handicapping where Murray ends up? We start with the Los Angeles Lakers. Murray is a Klutch client, so no surprise there's interest here. But while there was a flurry of discussion about Zach LaVine (also Klutch) a month ago, it's become clear that Murray is the compromise Klutch and the Lakers' front office can reach. The Lakers' front office has leaked that they want a two-way player, which Murray is, and LaVine is not.
Murray is an upgrade in playmaking and defense over D'Angelo Russell, who would be included in any deal. The Hawks, three different league sources asserted this week, would be open to a Lakers deal if it includes Austin Reaves. Reaves has played better individually as of late, but the Lakers are seven points worse per 100 possessions with Reaves on the floor vs. on the bench, the second-worst mark of any rotation player behind the now-benched Jaxson Hayes.
Finally — and I want to stress this is speculative (but interesting) — one league executive suggested keeping an eye on the Cavaliers in Murray talks if the Cavs decide they have to move Donovan Mitc before the final year of his contract. (Mitc has a player option for 2025-26, and there has been nothing but a barrage of reporting that Mitc will not re-sign and prefers a New York team as his next home.)
Murray would provide a replacement guard next to Darius Garland, and the Knicks would send the kind of assets Atlanta would want if they are indeed selling.
In other Atlanta news, the Bulls, Rockets and Knicks have expressed interest in AJ Griffin, who has fallen out of the rotation under Quin Snyder this season. The Pelicans have some interest in Clint Capela, if they decide to move off Jonas Valanciunas, and Toronto has interest in De'Andre Hunter."

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Regarding Dejounte: Gives you an idea on purported price. Keldon aint Reaves or Mitc , meaning they'd probably want KJ + 2 good 1st rounders (dont trade Vassell). If it's that high, no thanks.

Regarding Dejounte interest comment: Wondering verification on that. And how Spurs FO reacts if true.

Regarding Young: Quite hesitant on that. But would be so funny seeing Trae + Wemby stand side-by-side

I'm not big on Trae but a big like Wemby would be his absolute best pairing, and the two of them together would be an incredible one-two punch. Dude is a master of lobs and Wemby'd probably get an extra 10 points a game just from the lobs he'd be getting from Trae.

Obviously he's a terrible defensive player so we'd need to get some elite defenders in the SL. But it's hard to imagine a better offensive pairing. Id return them their picks for Young tbh. But I imagine he'd fetch more from other teams

[Seventyniner]

Murray was guarding Maxey last night, though Maxey cooked him several times.

[scott]

Would you be playing Patty at backup SG next year? If the Spurs can get Dillingham in the draft I'd really like him backing Tre up and getting 20 minutes a game to begin his career. Don't want to see him in Austin playing against scrubs just because we have a strong backup in Mills.

I'd want him playing the Devonte Graham, towel waver role

[TD 21]

Murray would not be tantamount to going "all-in" (neither would Quickley have been), it's not going to be easy to get players of that caliber in this draft (even if they do, you've got to wait on them to develop) and there's phases to building a contender. This notion of, if you do X, that's the core for the entirety of the Wembanyama era, is asinine.

The incremental re-build would be fine with a typical centerpiece, but they have an potential all-time one. They can't risk being historically bad or close again next season, contribute to costing him accolades and taking years just to build a playoff team. Thinking that won't expedite his departure is naive.

There's a tight rope between blowing their load and sitting on their hands that they need to walk.

[rascal]

Would love Patty as well. I don't think we need to give up anything - he's a FA this Summer, and at this point in his career he's most valuable to us vs almost any other team. Towel time!

Why? Because he's a former Spur?

Patty Mills will be 36 in August.

[poopbox]

I have absolutely no problem with exploring a cheap trade for Murray but I don't believe for a second ATL would consider taking a reasonable offer from the Spurs for Murray simply because of how badly they would be roasted in the media for it. This thread is a lot of speculation for something that has almost no shot of happening. IDGAF what Shams is reporting.

Yeah I don't see anyway that we get Murray without giving Atlanta back at least one of its unprotected picks in 25 or 27 and we should absolutely NOT do that cause the Hawks do not have a good track record of doing trades, that's how they got in this mess in the first place, and they can absolutely this up enough and be bad enough to give us a top 10 pick in 25 and 27.

the Hawks could be a Trae Young injury or trade away from giving us Cooper in 2025

[scott]

Reminder again for everyone that the Tim Duncan era had 4 distinct timelines, with him being a member of the core for three of them, and each of those 3 chipped (and the 4th should have chipped).

Timeline 1: DRob, Timmy, Sean
Timeline 2: Tim, Tony, Manu
Timeline 3: Beautiful Game
Timeline 4: Kawhi, LMA (Tim only part of this one for his last season).

It is absurd (and flat out unrealistic) to think that every move we make has to be for a sidekick for Wemby's entire career.

[rascal]

Yeah I don't see anyway that we get Murray without giving Atlanta back at least one of its unprotected picks in 25 or 27 and we should absolutely NOT do that cause the Hawks do not have a good track record of doing trades, that's how they got in this mess in the first place, and they can absolutely this up enough and be bad enough to give us a top 10 pick in 25 and 27.

the Hawks could be a Trae Young injury or trade away from giving us Cooper in 2025

Spurs will have many lottery balls for the number one pick next year.

[exstatic]

I'm not big on Trae but a big like Wemby would be his absolute best pairing, and the two of them together would be an incredible one-two punch. Dude is a master of lobs and Wemby'd probably get an extra 10 points a game just from the lobs he'd be getting from Trae.

Obviously he's a terrible defensive player so we'd need to get some elite defenders in the SL. But it's hard to imagine a better offensive pairing. Id return them their picks for Young tbh. But I imagine he'd fetch more from other teams

I don’t want Wemby reduced to just a lob threat, which is what a heliocentric guard like a Trae would do. He is literally useless without the ball in his hands, and I want Wemby running the offense. If you’re going to get Trae, just have Capella thrown in, and send Wemby to ATL. The offense would run exactly the same with Trae at the helm.

There are plenty of guards in the NBA who can throw a lob AND play off the ball AND play defense.

[Tyronn Lue]

No one plays any defense these days, thus the 150pt games against even good teams. Why even question someone's defense if they can shoot the 3? (rhetorical)

[spurraider21]

I don’t want Wemby reduced to just a lob threat, which is what a heliocentric guard like a Trae would do. He is literally useless without the ball in his hands, and I want Wemby running the offense. If you’re going to get Trae, just have Capella thrown in, and send Wemby to ATL. The offense would run exactly the same with Trae at the helm.

There are plenty of guards in the NBA who can throw a lob AND play off the ball AND play defense.

i know you have a hate boner for Trae, but suggesting that Trae + Capela would be the same offense as Trae + Wemby is just... is just...

[DAF86]

I don’t want Wemby reduced to just a lob threat, which is what a heliocentric guard like a Trae would do. He is literally useless without the ball in his hands, and I want Wemby running the offense. If you’re going to get Trae, just have Capella thrown in, and send Wemby to ATL. The offense would run exactly the same with Trae at the helm.

There are plenty of guards in the NBA who can throw a lob AND play off the ball AND play defense.

Dude, you are all in for bringing Dejounte back, but you wouldn't want Trae?

Trae >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dejounte

And I'm not even that high on Trae either, tbh.

[Leetonidas]

I don’t want Wemby reduced to just a lob threat, which is what a heliocentric guard like a Trae would do. He is literally useless without the ball in his hands, and I want Wemby running the offense. If you’re going to get Trae, just have Capella thrown in, and send Wemby to ATL. The offense would run exactly the same with Trae at the helm.

There are plenty of guards in the NBA who can throw a lob AND play off the ball AND play defense.

My point wasn't to turn him into a lob threat only obviously

And there may be lots of guards like that in the NBA but there aren't any that drop 30/10 regularly like Young. Like I said I'm not big on Trae just saying if one of him or DJ are available I'd rather go after Young

[exstatic]

My point wasn't to turn him into a lob threat only obviously

And there may be lots of guards like that in the NBA but there aren't any that drop 30/10 regularly like Young. Like I said I'm not big on Trae just saying if one of him or DJ are available I'd rather go after Young

His career 3G% is 35, the NBA average. He scores 30 by shooting like a heroin addict. Every one of those shots is a shot that Wemby wouldn’t be taking.

[Seventyniner]

His career 3G% is 35, the NBA average. He scores 30 by shooting like a heroin addict. Every one of those shots is a shot that Wemby wouldn’t be taking.

There is more to it than that. Among players with at least a 20.0% usage rate (league average, 100 players qualify), Trae Young is 10th in free throw rate (free throw attempts per field goal attempt) at 0.426 and 45th in true shooting percentage at 0.585 (ahead of players like Jamal Murray, Maxey, Fox, Mitc , Ant, JJJ, Garland).

That's plenty efficient enough for a #2 option. Whether Trae would accept being the #2 option is a whole other can of worms. He is #2 in the league in assist percent (percentage of a team's made field goals that player assisted on while on the floor), though to me that points more to him being a Harden/Westbrook type ballhog (though his usage rate is only 31.3%, not the 40+ of Rockets Harden and "MVP" Thunder Westbrook) than being a Stockton/Magic level assist wizard.

I don't think Trae would be an good fit with Wemby and the Spurs given his play style and lack of defense, but he is certainly efficient on offense.

[playbonner15]

Trae Young is most def a better player than Dejounte. But knowing FO, they're going to do this slowly. Im prepared to see this team in the lottery again next season

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

trae young is a poster child for losing basketball (unintentional, unlike pop's tanking)

um ... no please!

[J_Paco]

No thanks to either Atlanta guard. Plus, looks like DeJounte doesn't want to return to San Antonio like I thought.

I guess all that arguing for his return and pompous retorts by ST regulars (who I usually am cordial with) was for nothing. LMAO

[benefactor]

You guys don't want Trae Young?

[benefactor]

Losing his obviously turned all of your brains into mush

[J_Paco]

Losing his obviously turned all of your brains into mush

DeJounte would be the perfect guard on this team, IMO, if he was three years younger and didn't send out bad vibes with that stupid podcast interview.

He's also become very similar to Kawhi as his career has advanced. He obviously isn't good or as accomplished, but as his offensive game as improved the other side (where he had the potential to be an All - NBA defender) has steadily regressed.

And if he can get better quickly and continue to build on his 'better' recent play, then there isn't any reason why Blake Wesley could be DeJounte - lite.

[Dejounte]

My Guy Would Have No Reason To Say What He Said Here Unless He Meant It. Bring Him Home Tbh

[scott]

Definite contradiction versus the earlier report that he wasn't too keen on the idea. This is a good development, if for no other reason that is leaves options open.