Luis Scola & Jackie Butler GONE?!

[baseline bum]

I can't believe this. 5 years of anticipation. 5 years of thinking the Spurs made a great second round steal. 5 years of thinking the team pulled a fast one on the rest of the league. Watching this guy light up the world in the 2004 Olympics, and knowing the Spurs had his rights. Watching him destroy Jermaine O'Neal and Elton Brand in the World Championships. Continually hearing we had the best player in Euroleague. 5 years of not being able to contain my excitement at seeing this guy in the black and silver.... all that gone in a second, to save Peter Holt $1.5 million in a season where he had the deepest of deep playoff runs to line his pocket. I'm disgusted. I cannot believe the Spurs gave up a guy who will most likely be a solid rotation player, maybe even a good starter, for nothing. A freaking big man on top of that.... and then another big man on top of that.

[Marcus Bryant]

Someone help me with this. In the Ludden article, it says that the Spurs had deals for Scola "fall apart". If the Spurs only wanted a second round pick, how the could a supposed deal fall apart?

Wouldn't the conversation go:

RC: "Hey Danny, do you want Scola for a 2009 second round pick?"

Danny: "Uh, yeah. Where do I sign?"



Where could such a deal fall apart?

Yeah, that's odd. They were keen on moving Butler and tied those two goals together. The deal saves the Spurs double Butler's salary (~$5 mil) and if they get Spanislousss to go away for nothing then they pocket the cash the Rockets included, which was probably $1.9 mil. Assume that Mahinmi now is signed for $700K for 2007-08.

So the deals fell apart when the Spurs found someone who would help them shave off $6.2 mil in payroll in addition to sending back that 2nd round pick.

[Mr. Body]

Scola is going to freakin' blow up in the Rockets system. Think about it. Adelman's bigmen always overachieve. He'll be playing next to Yao or Mutombo so his lack of size won't matter. Outside of TMac and Yao, no one needs the ball on that team. Scola will have as many shots as he can handle.

Next year when he's averaging something like 15 and 6, league pundits are going to be wondering where Scola came from. What dumb ass team would give him away for nothing?

Certainly not the Spurs brain trust.

First Team All-Rookie.

The Rockets' problem will be rebounding, but they'll do okay.

[timvp]

I can't believe this. 5 years of anticipation. 5 years of thinking the Spurs made a great second round steal. 5 years of thinking the team pulled a fast one on the rest of the league. Watching this guy light up the world in the 2004 Olympics, and knowing the Spurs had his rights. Watching him destroy Jermaine O'Neal and Elton Brand in the World Championships. Continually hearing we had the best player in Euroleague. 5 years of not being able to contain my excitement at seeing this guy in the black and silver.... all that gone in a second, to save Peter Holt $1.5 million in a season where he had the deepest of deep playoff runs to line his pocket. I'm disgusted. I cannot believe the Spurs gave up a guy who will most likely be a solid rotation player, maybe even a good starter, for nothing. A freaking big man on top of that.... and then another big man on top of that.

And to top it off, they gave it all up to the Rockets.

The freakin' Rockets.

[mystargtr34]

[Bruno]

We need some more negative emotion out of you.

Try one of these ---------->

Thanks.

Spurs trade a third string center and the 56th pick of the 2002 draft for a future second round pick and $7M. Not a bad trade.

[Marcus Bryant]

Not a good trade.
While dumping Butler contract somewhere was maybe the right thing to do, Scola is a lot to pay to do that.

One thinks the Spurs found no other willing partners for a Butler lux tax savings dump.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs trade a third string center and the 56th pick of the 2002 draft for a future second round pick and $7M. Not a bad trade.

Ginobili was the 57th pick in '99. Maybe the Spurs can get some cash for him too.

[Mr. Body]

Matt Bonner better be worth the loss of both Butler and Scola.

[timvp]

Spurs trade a third string center and the 56th pick of the 2002 draft for a future second round pick and $7M. Not a bad trade.

I miss the Bruno who would didn't want Butler traded for a second round pick and the least he wanted for Scola was a first round pick. That Bruno would be upset that the Spurs got a second round pick for both assets.

[baseline bum]

And to top it off, they gave it all up to the Rockets.

The freakin' Rockets.

Seriously... what's the matter? Was the Lakers' phone line busy or something?

[whottt]

It wasn't a great trade but it's not the end of the world either.


Butler had some offensive game but he would have struggled to fit with us defensively. I agree with the Spurs on this....dude camped out under the Spurs basket 40% of the time...on offense.


And I am glad the Scola saga is over with...yeah the idea of adding him to Oberto and Manu is an intriguing idea...but Scola has been a contrary pain the ass since the night we drafted him...adios.

I think it was clearly a case of dumping him for something so they didn't lose him for nothing.



I haven't seen the Spurs give up on too many guys that ended up making hte AS team...and all the guys they gave up on that Isiah had given up on have ended up sucking ass.




My take: ok it wasn't what we wanted...but it's also not like they just flushed an NBA le down the toilet by giving up on two All Stars. I think the negativity is a little overboard on the forum tonight...

It's not like they just traded Tim Duncan for Chris Webber or something.

[Bruno]

I miss the Bruno who would didn't want Butler traded for a second round pick and the least he wanted for Scola was a first round pick. That Bruno would be upset that the Spurs got a second round pick for both assets.

You didn't get the irony.

[timvp]

If the Spurs would have done the same trade with the Bobcats, I could view the trade a charity move for both Butler and Scola. But you don't give away potentially solid bigmen to a hated divisional rival.

[Solid D]

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RIDE CONTROL

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MOUNTED ON KAWASAKI 115ZIV-2 (1999 MODEL)

EROPS/AIR

REX ROTH PUMPS

QSK19-410HP, 7560 HOURS ON REBUILD

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[timvp]

You didn't get the irony.

Yeah, I did. I just wanted one of these ------>

[whottt]

I don't see any way Jackie Bulter fits on the Rockets with Adelman as his coach...

In fact...I think he might have a heart attack having to get back on offense.

The Spurs had him for a year...regardless of whether or not they got value...I really don't think they were clueless about how he would fit on this team...I think had a lot of time to make that decision.

And whether or not the Rockets can sign Scola remains to be seen...in any case...I still like our PF better.

[timvp]

I hated Scola

[ploto]

First Team All-Rookie.

If Garbajosa can make first team all rookie- then Scola is a lock- right?

[Marcus Bryant]

If the Spurs would have done the same trade with the Bobcats, I could view the trade a charity move for both Butler and Scola. But you don't give away potentially solid bigmen to a hated divisional rival.

$6 mil was too much to turn away. Plus they can pay Mahinmi $700K for 3 years instead of $3 mil per to Scola.

And of course that $ will go to make this team better.

[Bruno]

[timvp]

@ Solid D

[Solid D]

Peter Holt announced today that Holt Cat of San Antonio has ordered two of the new Caterpillar Ironwolf 840HD Recycler/Processors. These new demonstation units require close to a $1 Million investment but should prove key to selling several of the 840HDs over the next several months. An undisclosed Houston-based en y is rumored to have provided the $1M seed money to order the demonstator units. Holt was quoted as saying, "It is what it is."




IRONWOLF 840HD RECYCLER/PROCESSOR $585,000 USD

8'X40" DRUM

RIDE CONTROL

TIER 3 CATERPILLAR C15-525 HP ENGINE

MOUNTED ON KAWASAKI 115ZIV-2 (1999 MODEL)

EROPS/AIR

REX ROTH PUMPS

QSK19-410HP, 7560 HOURS ON REBUILD

35/65X33 TIRES

O & K F100 PLANETARY DRUM DRIVES

5900 HOURS ON REBUILT TRANSMISSION & TORQUE

OPERATING WEIGHT 126,000 LBS.

Note to coachmac. This article is fake.

[Marcus Bryant]

I don't see any way Jackie Bulter fits on the Rockets with Adelman as his coach...

In fact...I think he might have a heart attack having to get back on offense.

The Spurs had him for a year...regardless of whether or not they got value...I really don't think they were clueless about how he would fit on this team...I think had a lot of time to make that decision.

And whether or not the Rockets can sign Scola remains to be seen...in any case...I still like our PF better.

Stop channelling Sacto.

[timvp]